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Old 24-07-2020, 13:40   #1
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Default We might be about to get UAP/UFO disclosure

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/u...reid-navy.html

Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

This along with the Tic Tac videos is amazing, I can't actually believe those videos even got released.

I do believe we're not alone, I'm not convinced that earth is being visited but wouldn't it be amazing if we were presented with evidence that we are?
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Old 24-07-2020, 14:20   #2
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I sort of believe Hawking on this one, that if aliens were visiting/observing earth, it could very easily be bad news for us. Intergalactic travel appears to be incredibly difficult, so they've come a very long way over a very long time. They'll have come for a reason, very likely a one-way trip and probably have no intention of ever going home. Would we traverse the galaxy without an objective upon arriving at what we had decided was a 'liveable' planet?

Maybe they would announce friendship, but conquers often arrive with a message of peace and harmony at first.

Or, it's not actually that difficult to travel about the galaxy for them, which would mean their technology is beyond our comprehension. How would they see us? Maybe they'd respect us despite massive inferiority but how much regard do we ourselves generally give to 'lesser' species? Apart from a select few we keep as pets, we pretty much eat and kill the rest, either directly or just because they're in the way.
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Old 24-07-2020, 17:44   #3
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I sort of believe Hawking on this one, that if aliens were visiting/observing earth, it could very easily be bad news for us. Intergalactic travel appears to be incredibly difficult, so they've come a very long way over a very long time. They'll have come for a reason, very likely a one-way trip and probably have no intention of ever going home. Would we traverse the galaxy without an objective upon arriving at what we had decided was a 'liveable' planet?
That's definitely one theory and it's plausible. There's also the zoo hypothesis which I find very interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_hypothesis
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Or, it's not actually that difficult to travel about the galaxy for them, which would mean their technology is beyond our comprehension. How would they see us? Maybe they'd respect us despite massive inferiority but how much regard do we ourselves generally give to 'lesser' species? Apart from a select few we keep as pets, we pretty much eat and kill the rest, either directly or just because they're in the way.
I think this could probably be closer to the truth, hawking just been watching too manyIndependence Day movies lol

A user on reddit submitted THIS VIDEO but I think the guy just mixed up his words towards the end when he talks about 'just recovered', he really makes it sound like they have something, I don't know.

Have you seen the tic tok, go fast and gimble videos? I think this is the 3 combined, headphone warning it gets loud.

Video not working? GO OLDSKOOL! Or just give up. N* is bound to post a better vid.

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Old 24-07-2020, 17:45   #4
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Here's one of the pilots talking about his experiences with Joe Rogan.

Video not working? GO OLDSKOOL! Or just give up. N* is bound to post a better vid.

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Yeah they're interesting videos, but a pilot being mystified by ufos isn't all that surprising. They're not going to be briefed on top secret airforce projects. We sort of get into a line of thinking of "if even these guys don't know what it is, maybe it IS aliens" but really they're not actually in a position to know any more than us.
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Old 25-07-2020, 00:00   #6
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Yeah they're interesting videos, but a pilot being mystified by ufos isn't all that surprising. They're not going to be briefed on top secret airforce projects. We sort of get into a line of thinking of "if even these guys don't know what it is, maybe it IS aliens" but really they're not actually in a position to know any more than us.
Absolutely, it's still interesting but also to be fair to the pilot does he actually say aliens or does he say he's not aware of anything that is that capable?

Anyway, assuming it's black budget it's off the charts amazing based on the flight characteristics he describes. Maybe we're about to see a big capability change being acknowledged openly.. Fun times ahead either way.

And, actually......... The sceptic in me thinks it's probably a black budget thing tbh.
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I sort of believe Hawking on this one, that if aliens were visiting/observing earth, it could very easily be bad news for us. Intergalactic travel appears to be incredibly difficult, so they've come a very long way over a very long time. They'll have come for a reason, very likely a one-way trip and probably have no intention of ever going home. Would we traverse the galaxy without an objective upon arriving at what we had decided was a 'liveable' planet?

Maybe they would announce friendship, but conquers often arrive with a message of peace and harmony at first.

Or, it's not actually that difficult to travel about the galaxy for them, which would mean their technology is beyond our comprehension. How would they see us? Maybe they'd respect us despite massive inferiority but how much regard do we ourselves generally give to 'lesser' species? Apart from a select few we keep as pets, we pretty much eat and kill the rest, either directly or just because they're in the way.
Maybe they are just machines/AI as organic travel isn't possible?

Maybe that's why technology had advanced so fast since Roswell? Backward engineering of downed craft?
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Maybe they are just machines/AI as organic travel isn't possible?

Maybe that's why technology had advanced so fast since Roswell? Backward engineering of downed craft?
Has technology really advanced that fast though, I've heard this line of thinking loads and I don't think it holds water. Kinda shits on all the greats minds and developments that we've made as a species.
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Yeah it's tripe, it would be impossible to maintain that sort of top down system of secret expertise. Basically anyone who became brainy enough in engineering/science/technology would soon stumble upon a massive knowledge gap that requires something else (in this case, alien tech) to make sense. Imagine how many times a nerdy student would be bundled off into a van when they realise the way we say semi-conductors were "discovered" is impossible to replicate and doesn't even make sense.

It's one of those things that gets repeated all the time but falls to bits when you actually stop and think about it, like that we only use 10% of our brains.
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Another posting by NYT for the interested, just reading through it now myself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/i....co/1QycIIQ3rm

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We were part of The New York Times’s team (with the Washington correspondent Helene Cooper) that broke the story of the Pentagon’s long-secret unit investigating unidentified flying objects, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, in December 2017.

Since then, we have reported on Navy pilots’ close encounters with U.F.O.s, and last week, on the current revamped program, the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force and its official briefings — ongoing for more than a decade — for intelligence officials, aerospace executives and Congressional staff on reported U.F.O. crashes and retrieved materials.

We’re often asked by well-meaning associates and readers, “Do you believe in U.F.O.s?” The question sets us aback as being inappropriately personal. Times reporters are particularly averse to revealing opinions that could imply possible reporting bias.

But in this case we have no problem responding, “No, we don’t believe in U.F.O.s.”

As we see it, their existence, or nonexistence, is not a matter of belief.

We admire what the great anthropologist Margaret Mead said when asked long ago whether she believed in U.F.O.s. She called it “a silly question,” writing in Redbook in 1974:

“Belief has to do with matters of faith; it has nothing to do with the kind of knowledge that is based on scientific inquiry. … Do people believe in the sun or the moon, or the changing seasons, or the chairs they’re sitting on? When we want to understand something strange, something previously unknown to anyone, we have to begin with an entirely different set of questions. What is it? How does it work?”

That’s what the Pentagon U.F.O. program has been focusing on, making it eminently newsworthy. And to be clear: U.F.O.s don’t mean aliens. Unidentified means we don’t know what they are, only that they demonstrate capabilities that do not appear to be possible through currently available technology.

In our reporting, we’ve focused on how the Department of Defense, the Office of Naval Intelligence and members of two Senate committees are engaged with this topic. Current officials are now concerned about the potential threat represented by the very real, advanced technological objects: how close they can come to our fighter jets, sometimes causing a near miss, and the risk that our adversaries may acquire the technology demonstrated by the objects before we do.

So if U.F.O.s are no longer a matter of belief, what are they and how do they do what they do?

And if technology has been retrieved from downed objects, what better way to try to understand how they work?

Our previous stories were relatively easy to document with Department of Defense videos of U.F.O.s and pilot eyewitness accounts backed up by Navy hazard reports of close encounters with small speeding objects.

But our latest article provided a more daunting set of challenges, since we dealt with the possible existence of retrieved materials from U.F.O.s. Going from data on a distant object in the sky to the possession of a retrieved one on the ground makes a leap that many find hard to accept and that clearly demands extraordinary evidence.

Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information. But the retrieved materials themselves, and any data about them, are completely off-limits to anyone without clearances and a need to know.

We were provided a series of unclassified slides showing that the program took this seriously enough to include it in numerous briefings. One slide says one of the program’s tasks was to “arrange for access to data/reports/materials from crash retrievals of A.A.V.’s,” or advanced aerospace vehicles.

Our sources told us that “A.A.V.” does not refer to vehicles made in any country — not Russian or Chinese — but is used to mean technology in the realm of the truly unexplained. They also assure us that their briefings are based on facts, not belief.

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