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Old 03-02-2021, 14:11   #751
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qan...al-lawyer-says

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A man who calls himself the "QAnon Shaman" and stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 while wearing a horned bearskin headdress, face paint and no shirt, is willing to testify in former President Trump’s upcoming impeachment trial, his lawyer said this week.

Jacob Anthony Chansley later regretted being "duped" by the former president after he didn’t receive a pardon after the attack on the Capitol
Lol, good luck with that. The next scam will be for money to run in 2024 and once he's President again he'll get them released. Which he won't.

Have these idiots never watched House of Cards? Trump is like Underwood, just without the competence but the use of others to stay out of prison himself is literally the same, everyone is sold down the river in the end. He'd sell out his sons if it came to it, never mind some incel.
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Old 03-02-2021, 14:28   #752
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I see Trumpsentire legal team quit and he had to go and find himself attorneys greedy or mental enough to take his case.

Must be part of the overall master plan I guess....................

Clearly nothing will come from the case so I suppose for a non principled lawyer it's an easy gig.

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Old 03-02-2021, 17:15   #753
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I see Trumpsentire legal team quit and he had to go and find himself attorneys greedy or mental enough to take his case.

Must be part of the overall master plan I guess....................

Clearly nothing will come from the case so I suppose for a non principled lawyer it's an easy gig.
I hope they ask for cash up front.
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Old 03-02-2021, 17:20   #754
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Rudy doing press conference about the trial at the ritz... crackers factory
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I see Trump new Attorneys shit several large bricks and then fucked up. But it must be part of the plan that we are yet to see unfold ?
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The argument is so simple, can a person with influence over their followers incite violence and be at least partly responsible for their actions?

It's obviously yes, and they know it's yes, because they go after Islamist preachers for doing precisely that and rightly so. Now it's their own guy doing it they fall back on the 'well he didn't specifically say go kill a cop, or go storm the chamber so nerr'

Once that defence is dismantled they fall back on the good old free speech argument, as though it grants immunity for people to say literally whatever they want, to whoever they want. Obviously false, you can't just go around calling someone a paedo, shouting it at them as they pick their kids up from school, no basis or reason, just for lols. No, you'd be done for slander, harassment etc. Standing up and yelling there's a bomb on a plane. The list goes on. It's why the US might have the first amendment but is also a pretty litigious society. Using considerable influence and authority to coerce and radicalise people over a sustained campaign of propaganda designed to provoke violence is also in the list. Whether it's a President or an Imam doing it, shouldn't matter, unless you subscribe to the idea the President is above the law.

But he'll get away with it because GOP senators wouldn't convict a republican president even if he fucked their wife. In fact, I don't think Democrats would either if the situation was reversed. Having highly partisan politicians vote on conviction is fucking retarded. It should go to an independent jury.
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The 1A says the government can't stop you saying things. It doesn't mean you're immune from consequences.
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The argument is so simple, can a person with influence over their followers incite violence and be at least partly responsible for their actions?

It's obviously yes, and they know it's yes, because they go after Islamist preachers for doing precisely that and rightly so. Now it's their own guy doing it they fall back on the 'well he didn't specifically say go kill a cop, or go storm the chamber so nerr'
Well Trump didn't tell anyone to storm into the Capitol. He told them to go and have their voices heard (at the Capitol) 'peacefully and patriotically'.

So nerr!
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'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore'
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"You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore."
Also, remember the 6th January wasn't a one off. He got the governor of Michigan almost killed by calling on his supporters to 'LIBERATE MICHIGAN' when it was implementing stay-at-home orders. The governor's family had serious threats to their lives ffs. When the FBI also foiled the plot to kidnap her, he told supporters at a rally 'Maybe the plot was a problem, maybe it wasn't' and revelled in the chants for her to be locked up. All this shit raises tensions, for months, steadily loosening the screws of people who he knows full well are already on the edge of doing something stupid.

There's loads of examples, that maga nut who sent those mailbombs, literally parroting Trump's own words about the media being "the enemy of the people" and the "democrats being radicals who had to be stopped" - his van looked like a Trump campaign vehicle ffs.

He's been doing it a long time, it just ratcheted up once he lost and told his supporters point blank that they had actually won, are being robbed and cannot let it happen. He did it in 2012 when Obama won, he fired off loads of tweets about marching down to washington to stop it, to trigger a revolution, to fight like help to stop it. This time around he was President, had a much bigger following, many of whom genuinely believe that shit and he knows full well they believe it. He gave them a call to arms and thousands took his words seriously. He abused the power and authority the office has and it's led to people getting killed, as many warned it would if he didn't tone it down.

Icing on the cake really is that you've got the rioters themselves explaining their brazenness when they were arrested was because they were basically doing what the President had asked them to do, to stop the certification and there was no problem, no need to hide faces or their identities, because any charges brought to them would be surely be overturned/pardoned by Trump. Once it became clear Trump had no intention to do that, they've said they were duped and are willing to testify against him at this trial. Just denying basic reality to claim all of them are suffering from sort of collective hallucination or delusion about what Trump wanted them to do. One you can explain away as a mentally ill person but when it's hundreds...

I can sympathise to some extent with arguments about figurative vs literal things he said, and I can understand that sort of fiery language during a campaign, because it translates to an action people can take in terms of voting, making calls, donating etc, but when the election is done, if you're still calling on people to stop the other candidate, to fight it "or they won't have a country" etc weeks later, then it's calling on them to do something a lot more serious than merely voting, you're in the realms of encouraging precisely what happened in the capitol. It's not rocket science. I mean, why else did they do it? Why did they do it while festooned in Trump stuff? A coincidence or something? It's plain as day really and we have no such mental gymnastics when ISIS are trying to incite their followers to commit violence, we see it for what it is. But people insist on keeping their blind spot for Trump. Sad!
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Old 11-02-2021, 22:12   #760
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