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Old 14-06-2021, 22:33   #151
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Yes, it's rare. 42 million people jabbed. If it was as lethal as people like you say then A&E and the morgues would be overflowing with people and it would be mass panic. Only a tiny fraction of 8-10 million who got covid was enough to fill up ICU beds and that's with a hospitalisation rate you've been trivialising, if the vaccine was just as bad, or worse, you wouldn't need to deep dive conspiracy websites to find 'evidence' of its lethal aftermath - it'd be all around us. We all know loads of people who've had at least one dose now, family, friends, co-workers would be dropping like flies, even if it was explained as something else.

https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

Even if you actually attribute deaths in people who've simply had the vaccine, it's still low, but it's not even going to be that because obviously some elderly people die every evening some time after watching an episode of The Chase but it doesn't mean that's what's killing them off. Coroners putting the vaccine side-effects on the actual death certificate as the cause, i.e an otherwise unexpected blood clot, is incredibly rare, and again far more people have died of blood clots brought on by covid.

Oh the families of the people you're talking about have specifically come out and said they don't want their loved ones death to be used by others into deterring people, so you look pretty silly getting all reactionary over it when even those directly affected by the death are able to keep a cool head and see the big picture.
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Old 15-06-2021, 08:22   #152
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Greece and Italy have just both stopped the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine for under 60s.
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Only a tiny fraction of 8-10 million who got covid was enough to fill up ICU beds
Quite, as young people are practically immune to it already why should we be vaccinating them with something that hasn't gone through long term trials?
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Old 15-06-2021, 08:53   #154
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Greece and Italy have just both stopped the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine for under 60s.
UK stopped it for even lower ages, but you should read into why. It's not 'OMG IT KILLS' it's that they think there's a slight elevated risk of clots with it (still very low, lower than other medication millions take daily lol) - but the fact we have 2-3 vaccines to choose from means we have the luxury of just switching that group to another type, out of an abundance of caution.
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Quite, as young people are practically immune to it already why should we be vaccinating them with something that hasn't gone through long term trials?
You're asking the same questions from ages ago, either not listening or not accepting the answers you get.

They're not immune at all, what you mean is they have a lower risk of hospitalisation and death. Many young people still get long-term complications from the disease and those numbers would become significant if you let it rip.

In terms of transmission the more people vaccinated the better, as it lowers its ability to circulate in the community. If transmission remains high (rampant in fact in your world probably where there's little to no restrictions and virtually no vaccine uptake below what, 40 year olds?) then the % efficacy deficit in even those who are fully vaccinated combined with a small but hugely widespread risk of unvaccinated will still result in a lot of suffering.

It's gone through the same clinical trials as countless other medication you'll have taken over the years. Long-term trials are never complete, they're not looking into things that will determine if it's safe anymore, it's if a certain control group responds in xyz afterwards. I.e one long term trial that most of the vaccines are running until 2023 is monitoring their respective antibody rates, comparing against age, ethnicity etc. There'll be more after that, so you'll be waiting forever. I mean there's long term trials on aspirin taking place
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Old 25-06-2021, 15:16   #157
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A new study suggests COVID-19 could have started spreading in China as early as October 2019.

The first official case in China was in December 2019, which was linked to Wuhan's Huanan seafood market.

But some early cases had no known connection with Huanan – implying the virus was already circulating before it reached the market.

Researchers from the University of Kent have now estimated it first emerged in early October to mid-November 2019, and had probably already spread globally by January 2020.

The paper, published in the PLOS Pathogens journal, put the 'likely timing' of the first case in China as 17 November 2019.
So pretty unlikely it was already circulating in the UK in November. Dimle is right, if it was already here October/November we'd have experience the surge much earlier than we did. Remember it's not a simple case of not knowing it was here because of a lack of testing - we may not have initiated community testing until the first lockdown was underway but we were testing hospitalised patients coming in with the symptoms, which underwent a surge in late Feb/March. Meaning mid to late Jan is the likely arrival to the UK. It makes no sense for the virus to have already been here and infecting people for 4 months but mysteriously held off until March before hospitalising people. We know the lead time from infection to hospitalisation is around 10-14 days.

But those still adamant they had it way before the rest of the population, you should contact Kent university as they'd be very interested to know your story and contacts at that time.
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Who cares when it got here. More importantly is these fast tracked vaccines are one of the largest public health disasters in history.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

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sorry but that is bullshit. if the vaccine risk benefit ratio was as low as 3:2 it would have been pulled and Eudravigillance would have been lighting up like a christmas tree with the ammount of signal detection correlating to deaths.

Also note the bodies like PRAC and the Pharmacovigilance Monitoring bodies are independant of industry and governments so it's not like they would be taking a bung to sweep something under the carpet as it's the easiest data set to uncover when it involves novel therapeutic related deaths.

YOu need to stop reading conspiracy horsehit.
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There’s no need for theoreticals. Over 83% of the population have been vaccinated. How many deaths has that caused.

Now compare with 150k deaths from COVID.
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