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Old 06-03-2021, 14:59   #61
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Covid mortality rate is between 0.5% and 1% btw,

Also the vaccine really has been around for way longer than Covid. AZ is essentially one they developed for SARS years ago with differently targeted sequencing. If your concern is unknown effects, it's much more proven than long term Covid effects which given the disease is only a year old, we don't yet know.
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Old 06-03-2021, 15:31   #62
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True, missed that claim. Nothing in the measurements etc saying vaccine uptake must reach a certain % in order to lift restrictions.

The minority of people who don't get it will be restricted no more than anyone else tbh, not by the government anyway, they will however have to live with the fact their enduring contribution to a global pandemic was spewing conspiracies, undermining science and throwing tantrums about it not being over quickly enough.

Imagine that on your death bed lol, like people dying now:

"What did you do in the second world war granddad?"

"Well Timmy, I spent a lot of time and effort trying to convince people the response to Hitler was disproportionate, and he was just the usual bad politician. Later, I told people that the herculean effort in building spitfires quickly was rushed and unsafe and they should not be flown. I had no qualifications or experience whatsoever in these respective areas but nevertheless I was sure I was right. I'd been wrong countless times before but on this I was sure to be on the right side of history. When the government intervened in my life by trying to save it I decided to respond by resisting the blitz rules and endangered those around me in the process. I put my gas mask in the bin. We were told it was temporary, which they were, but at the time I didn't want to wait and decided to be a cunt about it almost immediately. I told people the death toll was all propaganda and there wasn't even a war going on, it was just one big exercise in control. So... yeah... you know what, just pull the plug Timmy"
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Old 06-03-2021, 17:31   #63
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Old 06-03-2021, 18:19   #64
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TLDR not gettin the vax
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That's not true either. You can choose to refuse the vaccine and legal restrictions are going to end in a few months in any case.
So you don't think vaccination passports are going to be introduced? I hope you're right but I know they're being pushed from all angles.

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Covid mortality rate is between 0.5% and 1% btw,
That number is pretty meaningless. For a start many people will be exposed to the virus but it won't even infect them, even aboard the Diamond Princess which was full of old people only 0.38% of the passengers died. If you're metabolically healthy with vitamin D stores and a half decent immune system the virus is not a threat. In fact it's been modeled that only about 50-20% of the UK population is really under threat from the virus due to innate T-cell response from previous coronaviruses. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6

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Also the vaccine really has been around for way longer than Covid. AZ is essentially one they developed for SARS years ago with differently targeted sequencing. If your concern is unknown effects, it's much more proven than long term Covid effects which given the disease is only a year old, we don't yet know.
Not getting the disease or the vaccine.
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So you don't think vaccination passports are going to be introduced? I hope you're right but I know they're being pushed from all angles.
It's not enforceable or practical, I'm confident that needing a 'passport' to bypass restrictions isn't going to happen, not in the UK anyway, your personal vaccination status won't be a factor in government restrictions. As Chuckles says in a few months things will start to end and it'll be things like your local area, hospital admissions etc that will determine restriction changes, if any. Even a significant number of vaccinated people don't support drilling down to a personal level on this. If you don't want/care about the vaccine, that's that.

What you might find though is some private businesses will determine their own policies. Airlines might insist you show proof of vaccination or a recent negative test in order to fly with them. Cruise ships, festivals, stadiums etc as well. I think anything in which close proximity of people makes it more of a factor and an outbreak could threaten their business.
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So you don't think vaccination passports are going to be introduced? I hope you're right but I know they're being pushed from all angles.
They'll likely be required for foreign travel as other countries may demand it. Also certain professions like Doctors may require them like they currently do for hepatitis, but outside that I very much doubt they will be a requirement for the general public.

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That number is pretty meaningless. For a start many people will be exposed to the virus but it won't even infect them, even aboard the Diamond Princess which was full of old people only 0.38% of the passengers died. If you're metabolically healthy with vitamin D stores and a half decent immune system the virus is not a threat. In fact it's been modeled that only about 50-20% of the UK population is really under threat from the virus due to innate T-cell response from previous coronaviruses. https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6
Well yes obviously any mortality rate is based on being infected.

If you're saying that the article is saying that 20-50% have existing immunity, then the article you linked doesn't say that. It says that various studies have shown a t-cell response ranging from 20-50%, but that there is not yet evidence that that response has led to immunity to Covid.

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Not getting the disease or the vaccine.
K, no one is forcing you to. Just don't try and pretend that decision is based on rationality because pretty much everything you've said on the subject is nonsense.
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Why do Pro-Vaxers get so mad then when someone doesn’t want the vax?
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im seriosuly gonne end my life if im forced to VAX, turst me
so make these sentances life like i yourt brain, cos its gonna haunt u, espsecialyt COVtard graig

only peeople who are free from gult are CHUCKLES and EG
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ok fuck you for off and FUCK YOU FUCKING ITS OVER, VAXER CUNTS!!
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FUCK YAL VAXXERS!!!!!
FCKL OFF AND FUCK YOURSELVES AND KIL YOURSELVES
INCLDUIG CHUCKCLES!!!! FUCK YOU
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