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Oswald
25-02-2021, 04:36
Seeing loads of cunts on Facebook wanking each other off about getting jabbed
I will never take a vax, I?d rather go unemployed

Moses
25-02-2021, 09:03
Gonna reeee when Gove comes back and says antivax spastics won't be excluded from society. Companies should be able to block anyone who isn't vaccinated. Should be able to have it as a condition of employment and should be able to turn away antivax customers. The only exception being where people have a legitimate medical reason for not having the vaccine (eg. pregnant women).

Malcolm Tucker
25-02-2021, 10:28
Both parents have had jab no. 1 now, sister in law has too but she works in a hospital. No reaction or side effects, all just said it's like a normal vaccination, ache in the arm and a bit of a headache.

One of my Uncle's has had it as well, despite saying since last year that he wouldn't, sharing the usual facebook tropes about it. I wonder if he's typical of it, enjoys saying he won't get the vaccine because it's more of an interesting answer to give to people, makes you look a maverick etc, but when the NHS appointment actually comes they think twice about it and go. :hehe:

ChemicalKicks
25-02-2021, 10:39
Wife and I getting it on Saturday :)

Chuckles
25-02-2021, 13:52
My sister had it in December as she works in a hospital. Both parents and all uncles/aunts have had it.

Oswald
25-02-2021, 14:42
Gonna reeee when Gove comes back and says antivax spastics won't be excluded from society. Companies should be able to block anyone who isn't vaccinated. Should be able to have it as a condition of employment and should be able to turn away antivax customers. The only exception being where people have a legitimate medical reason for not having the vaccine (eg. pregnant women).

Bad trolling, u student toff cunt

Oswald
25-02-2021, 14:44
I’m anti vax, I’m a liberal and believe in personal freeedom

Malcolm Tucker
25-02-2021, 15:13
Yeah but a libertarian stance works both ways, you're free not to have the vaccine but businesses are free to make it a requirement for their job, or refuse custom to those without it. Or is it the kind of freedom others don't get to have.

Anyway, weird hill to die on IMO, people trivialise the small risk from covid but a vaccine with even less statistical risk puts the fear of god into them? 18 million vaccinations in the UK so far and 0 deaths from it, just a few bad reactions in the sorts of people who are already allergic to stuff like dust and wind anyway. I mean, terrifying stuff. Ah well, stay at home if you want, we'll enjoy our holidays abroad.

Stagflation
25-02-2021, 18:57
Bunch of boot lickers ITT

Oswald
26-02-2021, 01:08
Yeah but a libertarian stance works both ways, you're free not to have the vaccine but businesses are free to make it a requirement for their job, or refuse custom to those without it. Or is it the kind of freedom others don't get to have.

Anyway, weird hill to die on IMO, people trivialise the small risk from covid but a vaccine with even less statistical risk puts the fear of god into them? 18 million vaccinations in the UK so far and 0 deaths from it, just a few bad reactions in the sorts of people who are already allergic to stuff like dust and wind anyway. I mean, terrifying stuff. Ah well, stay at home if you want, we'll enjoy our holidays abroad.there are more deaths than 0 within 30 days of the vax, a lot more :picard:

LOL RETARD BAD TROLLING

im a maverik and im never taking a vax :sv:

Malcolm Tucker
26-02-2021, 01:37
/r/iamverybadass

Oswald
26-02-2021, 03:34
if we use the same death criteria for COVID, i wonder how many people died from playing golf?

Malcolm Tucker
26-02-2021, 10:21
yMr5UI-aacc

Stagflation
26-02-2021, 10:24
We're all scared of a poxy flu so we're going to let the government set up a dystopia, much better to feel safe even if it is at the expense of our freedom. :yes:

So what, you're going to have to have booster jabs each year to cover the new strains? Get fucked. It's a nonsense idea thought up by technocrats, it's all about control.

Moses
26-02-2021, 10:29
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvGuYYAXAAMQc5p?format=jpg

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1365063899318517767?s=20

That'll convince the doubters :yes:.

Malcolm Tucker
26-02-2021, 14:21
So what, you're going to have to have booster jabs each year to cover the new strains? Get fucked. It's a nonsense idea thought up by technocrats, it's all about control.

That's literally what happens with influenza. So by your logic we're already in the dystopia and nothing is changing lol

Malcolm Tucker
26-02-2021, 14:25
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvGuYYAXAAMQc5p?format=jpg

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1365063899318517767?s=20

That'll convince the doubters :yes:.

The UK is actually doing really well on uptake tbh, it's the EU that are struggling with convincing people.

So it's quite interesting watching the mental gymnastics of the Brexiteer/Anti-vax venn diagrams interacting. Vaccine roll out proves Brexit was right but we... shouldn't... have it... and the EU are... right... but they're just jealous of us for... rushing it.

Stagflation
26-02-2021, 18:28
That's literally what happens with influenza. So by your logic we're already in the dystopia and nothing is changing lol

Except you don't need to be on a centrally managed database limiting your movements unless you submit to a flu vaccine. So yeah, it's quite different unless you've been so programmed with fear by the British media that you'll sacrifice your own autonomy just to feel safe.

Moses
26-02-2021, 21:22
The UK is actually doing really well on uptake tbh, it's the EU that are struggling with convincing people.

So it's quite interesting watching the mental gymnastics of the Brexiteer/Anti-vax venn diagrams interacting. Vaccine roll out proves Brexit was right but we... shouldn't... have it... and the EU are... right... but they're just jealous of us for... rushing it.

It?s doing well in uptake overall, but in various communities it?s not great. And eg. with a third of healthcare workers turning it down that?s making things worse... as people are like, ?well your nurses are refusing it so why should I take it?!?...

Stagflation
26-02-2021, 22:08
It's because they remember the complications and payouts from the last swine flu vaccine.

Oswald
27-02-2021, 04:01
Been middle class dinner paartie this evening
Came out as anti vax
Told them there’s nothing stopping them taking the vax, I just don’t want one
Said if the vax works, what’s the problem? Ur protected after taking it
Loooool dat didn’t go down well
I’m a maverik, I’m edgy, I’m hard, and I’m ALWAYS right :sv:

Oswald
27-02-2021, 04:02
They actually said that I was killing people by not taking the vax :rofl:

Oswald
27-02-2021, 04:03
Bear in mind this dinner party was breaking Covid rules, there were 14 people there ffs :lmao:
I’m edgy, I’m hard, I’m a maverik

ChemicalKicks
27-02-2021, 09:24
You’re a lil tit

Malcolm Tucker
27-02-2021, 19:35
Except you don't need to be on a centrally managed database limiting your movements unless you submit to a flu vaccine. So yeah, it's quite different unless you've been so programmed with fear by the British media that you'll sacrifice your own autonomy just to feel safe.

You won't be on a central database managing your life, the NHS isn't forcing vaccinations nor central government. 18 million are already done so if it's "coming" then they've missed the boat massively on that one. Maybe Poland will introduce it as mandatory I don't know, but you're talking about the British media programming us so I assume you're talking about British stuff.

As for limiting your movements etc, well that's the other side of the coin to libertarianism, the government isn't going to be the one decreeing things, it'll be private businesses. Airlines saying you can't fly or stadiums saying you can't enter. Society will move on and leave you behind and nobody is going to care about you stomping your feet at the sidelines. It's up to you, it's your life to sulk away and bed wet fretting about a little jab in the arm. I mean, little kids get vaccines, the sympathy for grown men refusing it is going to be limited and short lived :shrug:

ChemicalKicks
27-02-2021, 20:58
Yeah the fucking mongs I’ve seen on my wife’s Facebook feed talking all this conspiracy shit worse than Stag TBF,calling people sheeple. One dickhead I seen posting the shit is an unemployed alcoholic talking about not poisoning their body for the government lololol also started going on about how the hospitals didn’t have capacity in ICU 10 years ago and how her Kate husband died of something similar to COVID (10 years ago), it’s all this stupid trash on facebook in a feedback loop with other trash patting themselves on the back for seeing the conspiracy that the rest of us are too simple to see FFS

Well I’m one of the sheep now, got my first jab today, arms a little sore a few hours later but was told to expect that.

yourmum
28-02-2021, 14:53
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvGuYYAXAAMQc5p?format=jpg

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1365063899318517767?s=20

That'll convince the doubters :yes:.

that old piss soaked senile whore can go and fuck one of her corgi's, filthy over privilged semi German cunt

yourmum
28-02-2021, 14:54
Bear in mind this dinner party was breaking Covid rules, there were 14 people there ffs :lmao:
I?m edgy, I?m hard, I?m a maverik

actually you are a micro penised ginger racist cunt...........

Stagflation
03-03-2021, 11:42
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1367003816189710345

"Reports suggest as many as 200,000 NHS staff have refused to take the jab despite being offered it."

They remember the swine flu vaccine fiasco.

Stagflation
03-03-2021, 12:48
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvK3N3aWYAkHeaT?format=png&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvK3gCzWYAAoqik?format=png&name=large

ChemicalKicks
03-03-2021, 13:05
lol Dr Clare here rights paragraphs about not taking the vaccine but never explains why, she’s a GP, am I mistaken, is she a expert in CV or other related illnesses?

The general medical council or whatever they’re called have called her out and stated that all doctors are required to get vaccinated. It’s a pity the government doesn’t publish another 20k doctors testimonies in support of getting it.

Fuck the dumb cunt

Malcolm Tucker
03-03-2021, 13:31
'God's free air' :ffspant:

Chuckles
03-03-2021, 13:55
There's 1.5m NHS employees and about the same in adult social care apparently. So if that figure was true, it's inline with around the 5% stated figure of people who don't want the vaccine.

Moses
03-03-2021, 13:58
It's worse in certain areas though. I mean obvs higher proportion of BAME employees in London where it's been reported as like 30%.

Lol at that doctor, if they are one, claiming they've weighed up the evidence etc. Maybe she should SHOW HER FUCKING WORKING? Obvs her chances of death are probs low, but the point is she risks the welfare of patients to a greater extent if she's not vaccinated, and the other effects Covid can have are potentially significant. What risks do the vaccine pose and how do they weigh up against the other risks? Show that working.

My sister in law who's a v smart doctor who specialises in both anaesthesiology and intensive care holds the opposite view... having spent basically a year working with the sickest Covid patients... what happens now those two bits of anecdotal evidence cancel each other out, Stag? The known side effects of the vaccine aren't significant and they've been tested on a wide scale. Obvs we don't have long term data but we do have longer term data on eg. the mechanism the Oxford one uses so we can be more confident that won't have weird side effects. Would rather take that low risk than the risk of permanent organ damage etc.

Chuckles
03-03-2021, 14:01
Yup, its not evenly spread amongst all social groups.

Malcolm Tucker
03-03-2021, 14:16
There was several Doctors on that Panorama documentary saying they weren't going to take nor administer it, most turned out to be playing fast and loose with the word Doctor, i.e practicing from holistic clinics or when actually pressed for evidence like Moses says preferred to just "clarify" that they aren't saying the vaccine isn't safe, but all the lockdowns etc are disproportionate to the virus. Which is arguably wrong still but in any case, not relevant to them originally refusing to vaccinate people.

Frank Castle
03-03-2021, 21:38
Lol at the utter state of you brainwashed cuck spastics LOOOOOOOL

no seriously tho :rofl:

99.9% survival rate for an alleged virus that has yet to be isolated, and u want an untested gene therapy injection

:loool:

You utterly fucking thick cunts

Stagflation
03-03-2021, 22:02
Clinical trials don't even end till 2023 and because we're in a 'pandemic' the pharmaceutical companies have got legal exemptions from any unexpected ramifications. :loool:

So they'll get off scot free for stuff like this:
Pfizer Vaccine Killed About 40 Times More Elderly Than the Disease Itself Would Have Killed (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/)

:picard:

yourmum
04-03-2021, 00:19
Clinical trials don't even end till 2023 and because we're in a 'pandemic' the pharmaceutical companies have got legal exemptions from any unexpected ramifications. :loool:

So they'll get off scot free for stuff like this:
Pfizer Vaccine Killed About 40 Times More Elderly Than the Disease Itself Would Have Killed (https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/)

:picard:

the author of that article is a religious nutter

Having earned two master?s degrees in sacred theology from Mount St. Mary?s College and Seminary, Patrick Delaney?s professional background includes working for a presidential campaign, and later for American Life League: writing and speaking on Catholic moral teaching.

Fuck him and fuck his church, who the fuck even studies for not one but 2 masters in sacred bullshit in a college that is designed to breed paedophile's.

Malcolm Tucker
04-03-2021, 00:50
Lol stag, the websites you're dredging up are fucking ridiculous :lmao:

Have a read up on that article they cite: http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/a.htm?t=270812&s=The_uncovering_of_the_vaccination_data_in_Israel __reveals_a_frightening_picture

It's not a source, it's just a conspiracy theory forum, no more official than this one with some guy posting his theory. You've done the equivalent of some random cunt coming on here and citing one our posts. It's a load of bollocks anyway, debunked and laughed at by people actually checking the claims. Here's a crucial one:

Text from nakim.org goes on to note that “at least 0.05%” of Israeli citizens who received the vaccine over a five-week period in January and February died, which is presented as evidence that the vaccine would kill. The catch is that this is not an abnormal proportion of deaths: the death rate is around 0.5% per year in Israel according to figures from the World Bank; if you take that over a five-week period, you get an expected mortality of 0.048%.

So the central claim is completely wrong. The way he's arriving at vaccines killing more than the virus is just painful to read, really poor concept of how you compare things. Taking all non covid people seriously ill in hospital (~2600) who have had the vaccine and compared it to those in ICU with covid who haven't had the vaccine (~2000) Then using that to say the vaccine is clearly more deadlier. I mean, lmfao. Do you really need it explaining how that's retarded?

Took barely any time to check. Your critical thinking is absolutely shot to bits these days; just conflating "being sceptical" with pasting any old dross you can find.

Oswald
04-03-2021, 01:13
How many people have died within 30 days of taking the VAX?

Malcolm Tucker
04-03-2021, 01:14
a few hundred apparently

Malcolm Tucker
04-03-2021, 01:15
it's not going to stop you dying from everything else lol

ChemicalKicks
04-03-2021, 01:20
OMG Stag don?t you do a lil Google first?

Stagflation
04-03-2021, 12:19
Took barely any time to check. Your critical thinking is absolutely shot to bits these days; just conflating "being sceptical" with pasting any old dross you can find.

Why bother fact checking when I have you on hand? :thumbs:

dimle
04-03-2021, 13:57
After doing extensive research based on conspiracy theory You Tube videos and Facebook memes I've decided they are all a bunch of wankers and had both my jabs.

Moses
04-03-2021, 15:41
How many people have died within 30 days of taking the VAX?

You including the people who already had Covid or got Covid before the vaccine had a chance to become effective?

Malcolm Tucker
04-03-2021, 16:11
he means people who have died full stop within 30 days of the vaccine

Malcolm Tucker
04-03-2021, 16:11
Why bother fact checking when I have you on hand? :thumbs:

Because you've shown yourself up as gullible twonk?

Moses
04-03-2021, 17:21
he means people who have died full stop within 30 days of the vaccine

Lol, idiotic measure, he's a retard*. That's like when they looked at the headline efficacy of vaccines and the raw data said x%... but that included people who already had it or caught it within the two/three weeks it takes for them to kick in... once they adjusted for that the efficacy was y% (with y >>>>>> x).


*/troll obvs.

Oswald
04-03-2021, 21:31
Lol, idiotic measure, he's a retard*. That's like when they looked at the headline efficacy of vaccines and the raw data said x%... but that included people who already had it or caught it within the two/three weeks it takes for them to kick in... once they adjusted for that the efficacy was y% (with y >>>>>> x).


*/troll obvs.

That?s the exact measurement they use to determine whether someone died from the COVID, u fuckin retard. Ur the troll u student toff cunt
So how many people died within 30 days of the vax?

Malcolm Tucker
04-03-2021, 22:08
That?s the exact measurement they use to determine whether someone died from the COVID, u fuckin retard. Ur the troll u student toff cunt
So how many people died within 30 days of the vax?

That's actually one of two measurements, 124k have died within 28 days of a test as a simple catchment of rolling data to track cases>deaths but over 140k have it on the death certificate, so the 28 day measurement actually underreports it over time because it's obviously missing people who have a test but die 29 days+ later from prolonged hospitalisation

But for sake of argument lets stick with your measurement

4.2 million cases with 124k dying 28 days later. But 4.2 million is confirmed test results, not just very mild people who didn't even realise or bother with a test. ONS estimates 7 million have had it so far in the UK. So that gives you a mortality rate of 1.7% - they could be out by another few million tbh, anything between 0.5% and 1.5% is probably about right for the UK. Call it 1% if you like.

20 million have been given at least one dose so far. About 200 have died within 28 days of being vaccinated, heart attacks, stroke, etc. That's a supposed mortality rate then of 0.001%

So there's no basis to be fearful of the vaccine but not the virus, it makes no sense, even if the vaccine did just kill 0.001% of people stone dead there and then, which I very much doubt, it's still way safer than getting covid, even after being generous towards your position in the workings out.

Oswald
05-03-2021, 02:57
im not fearful of the virus, thats why i dont want or need the vax, now fuck off

Stagflation
05-03-2021, 18:07
Because you've shown yourself up as gullible twonk?

I'll put my hands up and say I do post stuff that conform to my biases but I just came across it just before bedtime and thought I'd chuck it in there. However as for being gullible, you're the one who is prepared to just go along with loss of freedoms because you're scared of a virus. :loool:

Personally I'll take my chances that I have a decent immune system rather than being a guinea pig for a barely tested vaccine. Yet we're at a point in history where the institutions of power are pushing a very simplistic binary message of take a vaccine or continue the lockdowns. You're swallowing that message, I'm not, that's the difference.

ChemicalKicks
05-03-2021, 20:34
Dude literally everything you post as evidence in support of whatever argument you make usually gets trashed as shown to be biased, but like the shite Luke was posting a while ago. You’re just too self aware and can’t go on the same denial binge so now you’re doing the classic “whatabout you” deflection with Craig lol

ChemicalKicks
05-03-2021, 20:35
Also Craig swallows apparently but Stag is too good for that and is a spitter :D

Malcolm Tucker
05-03-2021, 21:39
I'll put my hands up and say I do post stuff that conform to my biases but I just came across it just before bedtime and thought I'd chuck it in there. However as for being gullible, you're the one who is prepared to just go along with loss of freedoms because you're scared of a virus. :loool:

Personally I'll take my chances that I have a decent immune system rather than being a guinea pig for a barely tested vaccine. Yet we're at a point in history where the institutions of power are pushing a very simplistic binary message of take a vaccine or continue the lockdowns. You're swallowing that message, I'm not, that's the difference.

Lol, bAreLy tEstEd.

Anyway, the point was "I'll take my chances" with coronavirus is a statistically stupid position. Taking your chances with something with 1% mortality over something that's 0.001% - it's like saying you'd rather take your chances skydiving than eating a banana. Both are unlikely to kill you but opting for the one that is more likely is moronic. I mean reject it for personal liberty reasons if you want, but stfu about safety and claims it's killing people ok? You sound fucking braindead.

Stagflation
06-03-2021, 12:17
It's not 1% mortality, supposedly it's 0.3% which is also bollocks because that isn't MY chance of it killing me, merely the mean.

Malcolm Tucker
06-03-2021, 12:35
It's not that low, especially in the UK, but even if it was it's still larger than 0.001% - which by the way is the mean too. Those who have died 28 days after the vaccine in your age bracket is probably 0 lol

Chuckles
06-03-2021, 14:44
Personally I'll take my chances that I have a decent immune system rather than being a guinea pig for a barely tested vaccine. Yet we're at a point in history where the institutions of power are pushing a very simplistic binary message of take a vaccine or continue the lockdowns. You're swallowing that message, I'm not, that's the difference.

That's not true either. You can choose to refuse the vaccine and legal restrictions are going to end in a few months in any case.

Chuckles
06-03-2021, 14:59
Covid mortality rate is between 0.5% and 1% btw,

Also the vaccine really has been around for way longer than Covid. AZ is essentially one they developed for SARS years ago with differently targeted sequencing. If your concern is unknown effects, it's much more proven than long term Covid effects which given the disease is only a year old, we don't yet know.

Malcolm Tucker
06-03-2021, 15:31
True, missed that claim. Nothing in the measurements etc saying vaccine uptake must reach a certain % in order to lift restrictions.

The minority of people who don't get it will be restricted no more than anyone else tbh, not by the government anyway, they will however have to live with the fact their enduring contribution to a global pandemic was spewing conspiracies, undermining science and throwing tantrums about it not being over quickly enough.

Imagine that on your death bed lol, like people dying now:

"What did you do in the second world war granddad?"

"Well Timmy, I spent a lot of time and effort trying to convince people the response to Hitler was disproportionate, and he was just the usual bad politician. Later, I told people that the herculean effort in building spitfires quickly was rushed and unsafe and they should not be flown. I had no qualifications or experience whatsoever in these respective areas but nevertheless I was sure I was right. I'd been wrong countless times before but on this I was sure to be on the right side of history. When the government intervened in my life by trying to save it I decided to respond by resisting the blitz rules and endangered those around me in the process. I put my gas mask in the bin. We were told it was temporary, which they were, but at the time I didn't want to wait and decided to be a cunt about it almost immediately. I told people the death toll was all propaganda and there wasn't even a war going on, it was just one big exercise in control. So... yeah... you know what, just pull the plug Timmy"

ChemicalKicks
06-03-2021, 17:31
Just pull the plug Timmy ........ :D

Oswald
06-03-2021, 18:19
TLDR not gettin the vax

ChemicalKicks
06-03-2021, 18:41
TLDR not gettin the vax

STFU

Stagflation
06-03-2021, 22:13
That's not true either. You can choose to refuse the vaccine and legal restrictions are going to end in a few months in any case.

So you don't think vaccination passports are going to be introduced? I hope you're right but I know they're being pushed from all angles.

Covid mortality rate is between 0.5% and 1% btw,


That number is pretty meaningless. For a start many people will be exposed to the virus but it won't even infect them, even aboard the Diamond Princess which was full of old people only 0.38% of the passengers died. If you're metabolically healthy with vitamin D stores and a half decent immune system the virus is not a threat. In fact it's been modeled that only about 50-20% of the UK population is really under threat from the virus due to innate T-cell response from previous coronaviruses. :loool: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6


Also the vaccine really has been around for way longer than Covid. AZ is essentially one they developed for SARS years ago with differently targeted sequencing. If your concern is unknown effects, it's much more proven than long term Covid effects which given the disease is only a year old, we don't yet know.

Not getting the disease or the vaccine. :ddsniggerjig:

Malcolm Tucker
07-03-2021, 14:03
So you don't think vaccination passports are going to be introduced? I hope you're right but I know they're being pushed from all angles.

It's not enforceable or practical, I'm confident that needing a 'passport' to bypass restrictions isn't going to happen, not in the UK anyway, your personal vaccination status won't be a factor in government restrictions. As Chuckles says in a few months things will start to end and it'll be things like your local area, hospital admissions etc that will determine restriction changes, if any. Even a significant number of vaccinated people don't support drilling down to a personal level on this. If you don't want/care about the vaccine, that's that.

What you might find though is some private businesses will determine their own policies. Airlines might insist you show proof of vaccination or a recent negative test in order to fly with them. Cruise ships, festivals, stadiums etc as well. I think anything in which close proximity of people makes it more of a factor and an outbreak could threaten their business.

Chuckles
07-03-2021, 14:03
So you don't think vaccination passports are going to be introduced? I hope you're right but I know they're being pushed from all angles.

They'll likely be required for foreign travel as other countries may demand it. Also certain professions like Doctors may require them like they currently do for hepatitis, but outside that I very much doubt they will be a requirement for the general public.

That number is pretty meaningless. For a start many people will be exposed to the virus but it won't even infect them, even aboard the Diamond Princess which was full of old people only 0.38% of the passengers died. If you're metabolically healthy with vitamin D stores and a half decent immune system the virus is not a threat. In fact it's been modeled that only about 50-20% of the UK population is really under threat from the virus due to innate T-cell response from previous coronaviruses. :loool: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6

Well yes obviously any mortality rate is based on being infected.

If you're saying that the article is saying that 20-50% have existing immunity, then the article you linked doesn't say that. It says that various studies have shown a t-cell response ranging from 20-50%, but that there is not yet evidence that that response has led to immunity to Covid.

Not getting the disease or the vaccine. :ddsniggerjig:

K, no one is forcing you to. Just don't try and pretend that decision is based on rationality because pretty much everything you've said on the subject is nonsense.

Oswald
07-03-2021, 14:31
Why do Pro-Vaxers get so mad then when someone doesn’t want the vax?

Malcolm Tucker
07-03-2021, 18:19
Why do Pro-Vaxers get so mad then when someone doesn?t want the vax?

:chin:

im seriosuly gonne end my life if im forced to VAX, turst me
so make these sentances life like i yourt brain, cos its gonna haunt u, espsecialyt COVtard graig

only peeople who are free from gult are CHUCKLES and EG
legonds of teh tinternet, sucha shame we didnt start a wow guild
ok fuck you for off and FUCK YOU FUCKING ITS OVER, VAXER CUNTS!!

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FUCK YAL VAXXERS!!!!!
FCKL OFF AND FUCK YOURSELVES AND KIL YOURSELVES
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Moses
07-03-2021, 21:23
It's not enforceable or practical, I'm confident that needing a 'passport' to bypass restrictions isn't going to happen, not in the UK anyway, your personal vaccination status won't be a factor in government restrictions. As Chuckles says in a few months things will start to end and it'll be things like your local area, hospital admissions etc that will determine restriction changes, if any. Even a significant number of vaccinated people don't support drilling down to a personal level on this. If you don't want/care about the vaccine, that's that.

What you might find though is some private businesses will determine their own policies. Airlines might insist you show proof of vaccination or a recent negative test in order to fly with them. Cruise ships, festivals, stadiums etc as well. I think anything in which close proximity of people makes it more of a factor and an outbreak could threaten their business.

Hopefully venues will be able to bar antivax mongs. Would be great for advertising... would not be keen on being in packed venues with the... but if it?s gigs for only the enlightened then :head:.

Oswald
07-03-2021, 23:27
:chin:

:loool:

Oswald
07-03-2021, 23:28
Hopefully venues will be able to bar antivax mongs. Would be great for advertising... would not be keen on being in packed venues with the... but if it?s gigs for only the enlightened then :head:.whats the problem if you get the vax and someone else doesnt?
if the vax works, whats the problem? :picard:

ur scared, u student toff cunt

Moses
07-03-2021, 23:42
whats the problem if you get the vax and someone else doesnt?
if the vax works, whats the problem? :picard:

ur scared, u student toff cunt

Because people who can?t be vaccinated for genuine medical reasons should be allowed to fully participate. And the vaccines obvs aren?t 100% effective and don?t stop people transmitting so antivax spastics risk them and spreading it.

Malcolm Tucker
07-03-2021, 23:49
Nobody knows yet if it's going to be a problem or not because the virus is new and only been around just over year, but an established virus like the measles (something that had been eradicated in the UK) had a bit of a resurgence due to vaccination rates for it dropping. Something you kicked off about and linked to immigration. :hehe:

Whether you've been vaccinated for measles or not (I assume we all have) we all would prefer it wasn't free to circulate around. Vaccines aren't perfect but not only that, there's always going to be a % of the population who haven't been vaccinated for health reasons and a nice thing we take for granted about with living in the 21st century is low transmission of easily preventable diseases.

If you move the goal posts to 'other vaccines are fine, just not this one' please just stfu, the science is the same, the process is the same. Even if you were nervous about mRNA process then you could just opt for the AZ one.

dimle
10-03-2021, 00:43
Why do Pro-Vaxers get so mad then when someone doesn?t want the vax?

Not me, I'm Pro Vaxer I don't give a fuck what anybody else does now I've had both of mine.
I'm also Pro Choice so that's why I had mine.

Northerner
21-03-2021, 23:35
Had the Astrazeneca jab 26/02. No side effects.

If you want to travel then you will need the vaccine. Probably for large scale sporting events as well.

Frank Castle
23-03-2021, 21:17
Lol at all these people getting their operating system reprogrammed with the 10 yr delayed cancer from gene manipulation drug :rofl:

No seriously you absolutely retarded cucks

I’ve not worn a mask anywhere ever. It’s non existent at this point and u utter spastics have had your cells manipulated by bill gates :loool:

Fuck off

yourmum
23-03-2021, 21:41
Lol at all these people getting their operating system reprogrammed with the 10 yr delayed cancer from gene manipulation drug :rofl:

No seriously you absolutely retarded cucks

I?ve not worn a mask anywhere ever. It?s non existent at this point and u utter spastics have had your cells manipulated by bill gates :loool:

Fuck off

are you back on the coke...........................

Oswald
24-03-2021, 07:02
Rona passports now to get your haircut
The level of propaganda against the unvaxed is gonna go through the roof
This time next year you’ll need an up to date vax every year to enter an NHS building

ChemicalKicks
24-03-2021, 09:48
It’s not propaganda if you’re literally acting like retard you spastic

Malcolm Tucker
24-03-2021, 10:22
Rona passports now to get your haircut
The level of propaganda against the unvaxed is gonna go through the roof
This time next year you?ll need an up to date vax every year to enter an NHS building

boooring, coronamoaners just want to talk down our recovery from the virus, the passports will be blue and say britain on them and that's all that matters with a passport innit :iamfat:

yourmum
24-03-2021, 11:34
boooring, coronamoaners just want to talk down our recovery from the virus, the passports will be blue and say britain on them and that's all that matters with a passport innit :iamfat:

exactly and they will also provide you with the rights to fish and stop brown people from getting your jerbs................

Visage
02-05-2021, 15:08
Just had mine....

ChemicalKicks
02-05-2021, 15:52
Getting my second dose next Saturday

Chuckles
03-05-2021, 19:41
Had mine as well. Felt a bit shit the next day but fine after 36 hours.

Malcolm Tucker
04-05-2021, 13:53
I went down there the first day it opened right, I pulled my sleeve up, the doctor that runs the thing comes over and said - Oi no athletes. I said I'm not an athlete. He said - you're not a athlete? I said - No, he said - well you should be, with an immune system like that you'd probably be the best in the country. I said - I'm not interested, I'm making shit loads out of cryptocurrency.

yourmum
04-05-2021, 23:33
I went down there the first day it opened right, I pulled my pants down, the doctor that runs the thing comes over and said - Oi no micro penises in here. I said I haven't got a micro penis, that's my clit. He said - you're not a man ? I said - No, he said - well you should be, with a beard like that you'd probably be the best dwarf in country. I said - I'm not interested, I'm making shit loads out of transexual porn.

:watson:

Stagflation
11-05-2021, 21:13
Not getting it. :loool:

natalie
16-05-2021, 15:34
Not been vaccinated yet, but have just been diagnosed with long Covid. I got it in December 2019.

ChemicalKicks
16-05-2021, 23:23
What’s long COVID?

Malcolm Tucker
17-05-2021, 09:38
Johnson has basically got away with Indian variant fuck up, the press are parroting the line dutifully "Be cautious" - so, now any explosion in cases that result in 21st June being pushed back, will be the public's fault. Not his. We weren't cautious enough. :nag:

yourmum
17-05-2021, 13:37
What?s long COVID?

opposite of short COVID innit.....................

yourmum
17-05-2021, 13:42
Johnson has basically got away with Indian variant fuck up, the press are parroting the line dutifully "Be cautious" - so, now any explosion in cases that result in 21st June being pushed back, will be the public's fault. Not his. We weren't cautious enough. :nag:

it's bad because it is another opportunity for potential mutations thus increasing the chances of getting one the is capable of escaping current vaccines / antibodies.

Numbers will go up, but hospitalisations / deaths will likely not follow as we saw in the Kent variant. It's still fucked though because having the virus in general circulation just lets is carry on mutating. There is always that outside chance that it mutates and then really starts fucking things up. By that time johnson hopefully will have died of Aids that he contracted from sucking off Rees Moggs infectious paedophile cock.

Malcolm Tucker
17-05-2021, 14:13
Yep, I doubt hospitalisations will increase much overall given the theoretical efficacy rates on that strain, but it depends on how effective the vaccines are against it once the numbers firm up. The sample size can't be very good at the moment, it's why they keep caveating it as "very early signs but nothing medically sound yet" etc. Barely anyone has died lately from *any* strain, but we've been in lockdown for months and it's turning to summer so that's not exactly a surprise, we had similar numbers last year after a lengthy lockdown that extended into warmer months and no vaccine.

It'll be when pubs etc are heaving to truly test if the vaccine holds. The problem is you've got a large chunk of the country still without any protection at all, and those getting the jab *now* still have a 10-14 day lead time before it's considered to be offering protection, so I think the government are expecting a surge of unvaccinated people getting it between now and June 21st tbh, driven mostly the Indian variant. Which will skew the figures and be poorly reported, because the remaining groups are now under 40, it means it's going to result in hospitalisations being made up of more under 40s as a % of admissions than last time, but the context will be that they simply haven't been vaccinated yet and the risk of younger people being hospitalised with the virus is unchanged.

It's really unlikely but it's probably still keeping them awake at night that if the Indian one *does* turn out to be deadlier either through a mutation that makes it more severe or a mutation that undermines the vaccine, the context will be all wrong and hospitals will start filling up with a lot more younger people than anyone expected or even those in their 50s/60s who've been fully vaccinated for a while now but still need ICU treatment. If only we could have avoided that small, but still possible risk, by closing the border to a country being smashed up the arse by said variant? :chin:

natalie
17-05-2021, 18:25
What?s long COVID?

Where it causes symptoms illnesses after you?ve recovered. I got a heart condition I didn?t have before.

Malcolm Tucker
17-05-2021, 18:36
How do you know you had it in December 2019? They weren't doing tests at that point were they?

Moses
17-05-2021, 23:22
Where it causes symptoms illnesses after you?ve recovered. I got a heart condition I didn?t have before.

You have a heart? :nat:

Moses
17-05-2021, 23:31
How do you know you had it in December 2019? They weren't doing tests at that point were they?

Probs bullshit. Odds of having it then INCREDIBLY low.

I think I maybe had it middle of March 2020. But like you say they basically weren?t testing at that point. Were just told to stay at home and call 999 if you started struggling to breathe lols. So never got tested. Either had it or proper flu. Was rather ill.

Malcolm Tucker
18-05-2021, 11:56
Well antibody tests will tell you if you've had it in the past, but still quite hard to pin-point from that. I'm not sure when those rolled out, I did one as part of a UCL study last year and I know NHS workers have been part of other trials as well. Other than that I think you have to pay private to find out. The guide I got with the UCL pack basically said it won't show up as positive if you have covid right now or have had it within 14 days, but after that, all bets are off. They don't really know how long antibodies show up on tests for, it was part of what the study was about.

I suppose if someone was pretty ill with the symptoms in late 2019, and have not experienced them again since, you could make a reasonable case for having it before everyone else but still assumes that the illness wasn't unrelated and they haven't simply caught a mild covid infection later (which accounts for any positive antibody test they might take) That can be easily mistook for something else at the time, allergies etc. Over 14 months it's pretty easy to do both things; easily mistake an infection for something else, or to convince yourself you're coming down with covid every time you wake up feeling a bit run down. It's why the tests are slandered by conspiracy nuts who think it's a load of bollocks because those with barely any symptom return positive sometimes and others, coughing up their fucking lungs with something that has all the hallmarks of covid, go on to test negative. That's why the WHO said 'test test test' right from the start, let the proper diagnostic tests do the work to inform people, as left to their own devices they cannot self-diagnose/isolate on symptoms alone.

Long covid is a bitch though, quite a few people are coming forward saying they've not had their taste or smell return after a year. Doctors say it could return any moment, but I'd class that as a permanent loss tbh. A friend of mine says he has physically recovered since having it, but he is convinced he's not right mentally. Harder to concentrate on things now, gets brain fog etc. Initially his GP didn't want to know, put it down to simply not exercising or eating regularly as he recovered from it, but it's been ages now and he's back to a completely normal routine, but says it just feels like he's literally lost a chunk of brain power. :dolefrog:

natalie
18-05-2021, 20:41
How do you know you had it in December 2019? They weren't doing tests at that point were they?

I had an antibody test, and also had viral pneumonia in December 2019, ended up in hospital twice with it, it?s recorded in my notes I mentioned not being able to taste or smell anything even though I had no cold like symptoms, and I?d just worked at an Italian wedding where we all dropped like flies with a mystery viral pneumonia a couple of weeks afterwards.

Malcolm Tucker
18-05-2021, 22:19
Hangover.

Moses
19-05-2021, 00:53
Well antibody tests will tell you if you've had it in the past, but still quite hard to pin-point from that. I'm not sure when those rolled out, I did one as part of a UCL study last year and I know NHS workers have been part of other trials as well. Other than that I think you have to pay private to find out. The guide I got with the UCL pack basically said it won't show up as positive if you have covid right now or have had it within 14 days, but after that, all bets are off. They don't really know how long antibodies show up on tests for, it was part of what the study was about.

I suppose if someone was pretty ill with the symptoms in late 2019, and have not experienced them again since, you could make a reasonable case for having it before everyone else but still assumes that the illness wasn't unrelated and they haven't simply caught a mild covid infection later (which accounts for any positive antibody test they might take) That can be easily mistook for something else at the time, allergies etc. Over 14 months it's pretty easy to do both things; easily mistake an infection for something else, or to convince yourself you're coming down with covid every time you wake up feeling a bit run down. It's why the tests are slandered by conspiracy nuts who think it's a load of bollocks because those with barely any symptom return positive sometimes and others, coughing up their fucking lungs with something that has all the hallmarks of covid, go on to test negative. That's why the WHO said 'test test test' right from the start, let the proper diagnostic tests do the work to inform people, as left to their own devices they cannot self-diagnose/isolate on symptoms alone.

Long covid is a bitch though, quite a few people are coming forward saying they've not had their taste or smell return after a year. Doctors say it could return any moment, but I'd class that as a permanent loss tbh. A friend of mine says he has physically recovered since having it, but he is convinced he's not right mentally. Harder to concentrate on things now, gets brain fog etc. Initially his GP didn't want to know, put it down to simply not exercising or eating regularly as he recovered from it, but it's been ages now and he's back to a completely normal routine, but says it just feels like he's literally lost a chunk of brain power. :dolefrog:

Depends how long after you had it tests were available etc, no? So if you had Covid early on then you maybe can?t get it confirmed by antibody tests many months later.

In the summer after I think I had Covid I had horrific night sweats (TMI, but lol whatever). Hadn?t had that problem previously or since? would wake up drenched, was grim. My hair also fell out an alarming amount - had a thick head of hair so it?s not like I went bald, but think it thinned out? started worrying about going bald lols, but back to normal now.

Apparently the hair thing can happen months after the body is stressed. I don?t mean like psychological stress, I mean physical stress. Which my body defs went through because I was very ill with Covid (or proper flu which is brutal if you?ve ever had it? proper flu as opposed to colds/heavy colds/etc which people sometimes call flu).

Moses
19-05-2021, 01:00
I had an antibody test, and also had viral pneumonia in December 2019, ended up in hospital twice with it, it?s recorded in my notes I mentioned not being able to taste or smell anything even though I had no cold like symptoms, and I?d just worked at an Italian wedding where we all dropped like flies with a mystery viral pneumonia a couple of weeks afterwards.

Being ill in December 2019 was v unlikely to be Covid 19, based on what we currently know/think about its spread. They?re looking at if it spread that early but nothing confirmed yet.

yourmum
19-05-2021, 01:34
was probably aids.

Moses
19-05-2021, 07:31
was probably aids.

But with me it was good AIDS and Nat bad AIDS?

Oswald
19-05-2021, 07:35
Depends how long after you had it tests were available etc, no? So if you had Covid early on then you maybe can?t get it confirmed by antibody tests many months later.

In the summer after I think I had Covid I had horrific night sweats (TMI, but lol whatever). Hadn?t had that problem previously or since? would wake up drenched, was grim. My hair also fell out an alarming amount - had a thick head of hair so it?s not like I went bald, but think it thinned out? started worrying about going bald lols, but back to normal now.

Apparently the hair thing can happen months after the body is stressed. I don?t mean like psychological stress, I mean physical stress. Which my body defs went through because I was very ill with Covid (or proper flu which is brutal if you?ve ever had it? proper flu as opposed to colds/heavy colds/etc which people sometimes call flu).

TLDR
STFU TOFF STUDENT CUNT

ChemicalKicks
19-05-2021, 07:49
TLDR
STFU TOFF STUDENT CUNT

I M32 desperately seek validation as I have the emotional capacity of a 12yo girl. How can I express myself in a more mature way?

TLDR
I'm a ginger twat

natalie
19-05-2021, 20:54
Being ill in December 2019 was v unlikely to be Covid 19, based on what we currently know/think about its spread. They?re looking at if it spread that early but nothing confirmed yet.

I?ll be sure to let my consultants know that a nobody on the internet said they?re wrong.

Malcolm Tucker
19-05-2021, 21:35
Well "Patient Zero" for the UK was a Chinese student returning to the UK 23rd January and starting an epidemic in York. If your consultants are adamant you and some other people had it a month prior to that (in Manchester?) then they should be telling someone, I dunno, maybe they have and nobody cares now but I'd have thought the very early cases would be of great interest to somebody.

yourmum
19-05-2021, 23:53
I?ll be sure to let my consultants know that a nobody on the internet said they?re wrong.

be sure to tell them that you are also a murderous whore who likes to fuck nobodies off the internet while your kids are taken into care.

ChemicalKicks
20-05-2021, 00:54
Jesus were all a bit venomous lately. But I want the gossip where do these horrible rumours come from lol

Malcolm Tucker
20-05-2021, 08:56
Nat had a kid with EG, it was rehomed with penski who raised it non-trinary, which is one up from non-binary and maximum level of wokeness you can get that penski had first.

That kid... is Owen Jones. Feel old yet?

ChemicalKicks
20-05-2021, 10:46
Nat had a kid with EG, it was rehomed with penski who raised it non-trinary, which is one up from non-binary and maximum level of wokeness you can get that penski had first.

That kid... is Owen Jones. Feel old yet?

Why was Penski always such a tryhard?:loool:

dimle
20-05-2021, 13:27
Not been vaccinated yet, but have just been diagnosed with long Covid. I got it in December 2019.

Sorry Nat but that's complete bollocks.
Our first two cases in Stoke were admitted in late February and then exponentially increased week on week like it did everywhere else, if it was around in Dec 2019 then we would have been panicking in January.
Incidentally my Mum died of pneumonia in Dec 2019 and it definitely wasn't Covid.
I've also worked on legal cases where relatives have claimed their loved ones had it in Nov/Dec 2019 but have multiple reports from Clinicians how it was impossible.
It's quite funny how there is a big claim that any illness is being put down as Covid but we have Clinicians and Pathologists saying it's not, it would just be easier to put it down as that.

As of today total Covid patients are 5 in our Trust down from 354 at peak.
None of them in ICU and none who had the jab.

yourmum
20-05-2021, 13:45
Sorry Nat but that's complete bollocks.
Our first two cases in Stoke were admitted in late February and then exponentially increased week on week like it did everywhere else, if it was around in Dec 2019 then we would have been panicking in January.
Incidentally my Mum died of pneumonia in Dec 2019 and it definitely wasn't Covid.
I've also worked on legal cases where relatives have claimed their loved ones had it in Nov/Dec 2019 but have multiple reports from Clinicians how it was impossible.
It's quite funny how there is a big claim that any illness is being put down as Covid but we have Clinicians and Pathologists saying it's not, it would just be easier to put it down as that.

As of today total Covid patients are 5 in our Trust down from 354 at peak.
None of them in ICU and none who had the jab.

wtfpwned

spend more time getting your kids out of care Nat

Frank Castle
20-05-2021, 14:16
I had it in November 2019

Sorry dimple u fucking covid retard

ChemicalKicks
20-05-2021, 15:29
wtfpwned

spend more time getting your kids out of care Nat

Nat has kids in care?

ChemicalKicks
20-05-2021, 15:30
I had it in November 2019

Sorry dimple u fucking covid retard

You?re not relevant anymore. Time to step aside old man.

dimle
21-05-2021, 19:04
I had it in November 2019

Sorry dimple u fucking covid retard

Don't be silly, it would have been rife by January.

pies
21-05-2021, 19:42
No but got a speeding fine in Brum on M6, 53 in a 40 on the motorway, smart motorways my arse, fucking cunts 1st one in 20 years

ChemicalKicks
21-05-2021, 21:12
So you still live at home?

Visage
21-05-2021, 23:52
No but got a speeding fine in Brum on M6, 53 in a 40 on the motorway, smart motorways my arse, fucking cunts 1st one in 20 yearsWere you distracted by fingering your sister in the passenger seat again?

Frank Castle
22-05-2021, 13:10
Tbh the untested covid death jab is ace, because only retarded labour voting virtue signallers are having it. It’s natural selection at its absolute best

Visage
22-05-2021, 13:14
Tbh the untested covid death jab is ace, because only retarded labour voting virtue signallers are having it. It?s natural selection at its absolute bestYou're one bacon sandwich away from a massive coronary you daft bastard.

Visage
22-05-2021, 15:03
Gonna go out on a limb and suggest the coke you take is possibly more pharmaceutically suspect than any vaccine.

ChemicalKicks
22-05-2021, 16:27
Gonna go out on a limb and suggest the coke you take is possibly more pharmaceutically suspect than any vaccine.

:loool:

pies
22-05-2021, 21:49
So you still live at home?

yes I live in a home

pies
22-05-2021, 21:50
Were you distracted by fingering your sister in the passenger seat again?

u still doing that hard cunt thing on the internet because you never go out and after years and year, you just got a boner and felt tough :loool:

Moses
22-05-2021, 21:57
People my age are getting vaccinated but I’ve heard FUCKING NOTHING :waiting:. Last week I rang up the SCOTCH GP I registered with back in Jan and the receptionist wasn’t helpful… wanted to make sure the fact I’d registered with them meant I’d be on the list but she just said she didn’t know lol.

ChemicalKicks
22-05-2021, 23:58
yes I live in a home

With your mummy?

Oswald
23-05-2021, 09:30
People my age are getting vaccinated but I?ve heard FUCKING NOTHING :waiting:. Last week I rang up the SCOTCH GP I registered with back in Jan and the receptionist wasn?t helpful? wanted to make sure the fact I?d registered with them meant I?d be on the list but she just said she didn?t know lol.

you are trolling :loool::roll::nag::thumbs::picard:

Malcolm Tucker
23-05-2021, 12:41
Dear Moses, you are now eligible to fuck off. Please fuck off by fucking off with the following fuckoff. https://fuckoff.moses/fuckoffmoses
.

Moses
23-05-2021, 15:04
Received a text this morning… works if I use my hometown postcode… doesn’t work if I use my SCOTCH one. Reeeee.

Stagflation
24-05-2021, 16:45
WTF you need a vaccine for, more chance of side effects if you're young and healthy than being maimed by the virus.

Chuckles
24-05-2021, 17:53
WTF you need a vaccine for, more chance of side effects if you're young and healthy than being maimed by the virus.

Not true

Frank Castle
24-05-2021, 19:38
Not true

Yeah it is u stupid cunt

TRUMP IS COMING BACK TO EXPOSE IT ALL

Malcolm Tucker
24-05-2021, 19:52
Trump went on Fox and said he took the vaccine and so should others lol

Frank Castle
24-05-2021, 19:54
He was the one that brought the vaccines forward and ended the covid great reset.

ChemicalKicks
24-05-2021, 22:06
He was the one that brought the vaccines forward and ended the covid great reset.

Does your lorry have an exhaust leak into the cabin?

Moses
24-05-2021, 23:58
Vaccination appointment booked for 4th June :thumbs:.

Frank Castle
25-05-2021, 14:31
Vaccination appointment booked for 4th June :thumbs:.

Fantastic :thumbs:

dimle
29-05-2021, 10:41
Gonna go out on a limb and suggest the coke you take is possibly more pharmaceutically suspect than any vaccine.

Funnily enough I was on our PDMS software yesterday which shows all the patients in ICU and not one for Covid however there is one with cocaine as the reason.

yourmum
29-05-2021, 20:46
Funnily enough I was on our PDMS software yesterday which shows all the patients in ICU and not one for Covid however there is one with cocaine as the reason.

check their phone to see if the have been on SV. If the history is there that is probably EG. If so tell the nurse to turn all the machines off and inject an air bubble into the cunts IV line................

Moses
07-06-2021, 00:39
Got vaccinated on Friday. Felt fine after. Then on Saturday FELT LIKE SHIT all day. Fine now apart from an achey upper arm.

yourmum
08-06-2021, 23:37
Got vaccinated on Friday. Felt fine after. Then on Saturday FELT LIKE SHIT all day. Fine now apart from an achey upper arm.


Arm ache is probably from too much wanking mate

Frank Castle
10-06-2021, 10:19
Former ceo of Pfizer and the German lawyer that took VW down over emissions. If this doesn’t wake u up, ur fucked lol

Well all u cucks are fucked anyway as the jab has destroyed your immune system lol

https://rumble.com/vib2nd-episode-1010-the-trojan-horse-pandemic.html

yourmum
11-06-2021, 22:33
you beleive any old horse shit you read on the internet ? I read on the internet that your missus has aids so i reckon that's true. And it was bad aids too, she got it from getting fucked up the shit pipe by a faggot, namely you.

Malcolm Tucker
14-06-2021, 16:51
It's quite simple to understand but easily twisted.

i.e Lawrence Fox refuses to get vaccinated, which is his right, but rather than just opt out and stfu he takes the additional step of "warning" others not to get it either because it "causes myocarditis" IMO if you refuse it yourself, that's your business, but when you're going out of your way to dissuade others on medical grounds then you're fair game to be criticised and tbh, sued. It's messing with people's health for clicks.

Obviously it doesn't just give you myocarditis, it's an extremely rare side effect, like one in 30 million or something. Compared to not having the vaccine and inevitably getting covid the risk is actually lowered by taking it, as covid is far more likely to give you myocarditis or a number of other chronic conditions. So unless you plan to somehow live in a bubble, your myocarditis risk actually becomes greater than a vaccinated person. Simple to understand but it's boring and not very alarmist and that kind of content doesn't keep failed actors relevant.

Stagflation
14-06-2021, 21:25
You really think the side effects are that rare? It's killing old people who aren't exposed to the virus, their immune system spacking out does them in. Oh two BBC presenters have died now after taking the vaccine... yeah you can keep your vaccine.

Malcolm Tucker
14-06-2021, 22:33
Yes, it's rare. 42 million people jabbed. If it was as lethal as people like you say then A&E and the morgues would be overflowing with people and it would be mass panic. Only a tiny fraction of 8-10 million who got covid was enough to fill up ICU beds and that's with a hospitalisation rate you've been trivialising, if the vaccine was just as bad, or worse, you wouldn't need to deep dive conspiracy websites to find 'evidence' of its lethal aftermath - it'd be all around us. We all know loads of people who've had at least one dose now, family, friends, co-workers would be dropping like flies, even if it was explained as something else.

https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

Even if you actually attribute deaths in people who've simply had the vaccine, it's still low, but it's not even going to be that because obviously some elderly people die every evening some time after watching an episode of The Chase but it doesn't mean that's what's killing them off. Coroners putting the vaccine side-effects on the actual death certificate as the cause, i.e an otherwise unexpected blood clot, is incredibly rare, and again far more people have died of blood clots brought on by covid.

Oh the families of the people you're talking about have specifically come out and said they don't want their loved ones death to be used by others into deterring people, so you look pretty silly getting all reactionary over it when even those directly affected by the death are able to keep a cool head and see the big picture.

Stagflation
15-06-2021, 08:22
Greece and Italy have just both stopped the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine for under 60s.

Stagflation
15-06-2021, 08:25
Only a tiny fraction of 8-10 million who got covid was enough to fill up ICU beds

Quite, as young people are practically immune to it already why should we be vaccinating them with something that hasn't gone through long term trials?

Malcolm Tucker
15-06-2021, 08:53
Greece and Italy have just both stopped the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine for under 60s.

UK stopped it for even lower ages, but you should read into why. It's not 'OMG IT KILLS' it's that they think there's a slight elevated risk of clots with it (still very low, lower than other medication millions take daily lol) - but the fact we have 2-3 vaccines to choose from means we have the luxury of just switching that group to another type, out of an abundance of caution.

Malcolm Tucker
15-06-2021, 09:06
Quite, as young people are practically immune to it already why should we be vaccinating them with something that hasn't gone through long term trials?

You're asking the same questions from ages ago, either not listening or not accepting the answers you get.

They're not immune at all, what you mean is they have a lower risk of hospitalisation and death. Many young people still get long-term complications from the disease and those numbers would become significant if you let it rip.

In terms of transmission the more people vaccinated the better, as it lowers its ability to circulate in the community. If transmission remains high (rampant in fact in your world probably where there's little to no restrictions and virtually no vaccine uptake below what, 40 year olds?) then the % efficacy deficit in even those who are fully vaccinated combined with a small but hugely widespread risk of unvaccinated will still result in a lot of suffering.

It's gone through the same clinical trials as countless other medication you'll have taken over the years. Long-term trials are never complete, they're not looking into things that will determine if it's safe anymore, it's if a certain control group responds in xyz afterwards. I.e one long term trial that most of the vaccines are running until 2023 is monitoring their respective antibody rates, comparing against age, ethnicity etc. There'll be more after that, so you'll be waiting forever. I mean there's long term trials on aspirin taking place :hehe:

Frank Castle
16-06-2021, 20:27
Are you reading what u type :rofl:

Fucking deluded cunt

Malcolm Tucker
25-06-2021, 15:16
A new study suggests COVID-19 could have started spreading in China as early as October 2019.

The first official case in China was in December 2019, which was linked to Wuhan's Huanan seafood market.

But some early cases had no known connection with Huanan – implying the virus was already circulating before it reached the market.

Researchers from the University of Kent have now estimated it first emerged in early October to mid-November 2019, and had probably already spread globally by January 2020.

The paper, published in the PLOS Pathogens journal, put the 'likely timing' of the first case in China as 17 November 2019.

So pretty unlikely it was already circulating in the UK in November. Dimle is right, if it was already here October/November we'd have experience the surge much earlier than we did. Remember it's not a simple case of not knowing it was here because of a lack of testing - we may not have initiated community testing until the first lockdown was underway but we were testing hospitalised patients coming in with the symptoms, which underwent a surge in late Feb/March. Meaning mid to late Jan is the likely arrival to the UK. It makes no sense for the virus to have already been here and infecting people for 4 months but mysteriously held off until March before hospitalising people. We know the lead time from infection to hospitalisation is around 10-14 days.

But those still adamant they had it way before the rest of the population, you should contact Kent university as they'd be very interested to know your story and contacts at that time. :yes:

Stagflation
25-06-2021, 18:10
Who cares when it got here. More importantly is these fast tracked vaccines are one of the largest public health disasters in history.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

Currently, we see 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations. For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.

yourmum
25-06-2021, 20:43
sorry but that is bullshit. if the vaccine risk benefit ratio was as low as 3:2 it would have been pulled and Eudravigillance would have been lighting up like a christmas tree with the ammount of signal detection correlating to deaths.

Also note the bodies like PRAC and the Pharmacovigilance Monitoring bodies are independant of industry and governments so it's not like they would be taking a bung to sweep something under the carpet as it's the easiest data set to uncover when it involves novel therapeutic related deaths.

YOu need to stop reading conspiracy horsehit.

Chuckles
26-06-2021, 09:44
There’s no need for theoreticals. Over 83% of the population have been vaccinated. How many deaths has that caused.

Now compare with 150k deaths from COVID.

Malcolm Tucker
27-06-2021, 22:35
Stag just gets battered every time he posts, Stag just gets battered, every times he poooosts, every times he posts

Stagflation
28-06-2021, 10:51
Do you think someone who is 20 years old should get one of these vaccines?

There's been almost one million adverse reactions in the UK alone with over 1300 deaths linked to vaccines. Why take a risk when that demographic is at such low risk from the virus? Most peoples immune systems can handle the virus, but putting in a weird protein straight into their bloodstream is a greater threat. However innocuous the 'spike protein' is from a dead virus these vaccines are messing with peoples immune systems.

If the effects were that rare, why do I know two people who have had clot problems from them?

yourmum
28-06-2021, 14:00
those 2 people were probably EG and Bakez and both those cunts deserve to get clots and then bleed through their eyeballs, would be a great Youtube vid to watch.

Chuckles
28-06-2021, 16:43
(1300 / 44,400,000) * 100 = 0.002% so chances of dying is 2 people per million

5 million people have tested positive for Covid. Even if we are generous and say the true number is 10 million, that is around 10,000 deaths per million infections.

There is no comparison.

Given there's less than 400 cases of blood clotting that's been attributed to vaccines, I guess it's possible you know 2 of them. Maybe the got it from Covid given the chances are x10 higher :shrug:

Chuckles
28-06-2021, 16:50
Oh and 1 million adverse reactions - You mean people have felt knackered the next day and had a sore arm :loool:

Moses
28-06-2021, 18:58
What does ?deaths linked to vaccines? mean? I?m cautious because of how previously people got Covid soon after having the vaccine, then subsequently died, and people linked that with the vaccine or said it meant the vaccine didn?t work even though it was because the vaccine obviously hadn?t kicked in yet etc.

Also, science,

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/vaccines-save-nearly-30000-lives-research-shows-1075866

:ddsniggerjig:

yourmum
28-06-2021, 19:31
Oh and 1 million adverse reactions - You mean people have felt knackered the next day and had a sore arm :loool:

thats becasue they were doing it wrong, you are supposed to get the injection in your cock.................

Oswald
28-06-2021, 20:20
Covid is a hoax, why are u still talking about it

Moses
28-06-2021, 23:21
Covid is a hoax, why are u still talking about it

Means I?ve been able to WFH for 15 months :iamfat:. And claim expenses for increased utilities costs looollll.

Stagflation
18-07-2021, 08:38
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6gn5RcX0AMe8RE?format=jpg&name=large

If you support children taking these 'vaccinations' you have been brainwashed.

Malcolm Tucker
18-07-2021, 11:16
Do the CDC recommend someone of your age taking it though?

Visage
18-07-2021, 15:17
Why the air quotes around vaccinations, you fucking moral binfire?

Oswald
18-07-2021, 15:33
The vaccines are going to cause a super variant and fuck all the Vaxxed good and proper
While people like me who never took the vax will have I compromised immune systems and still be able to fight the coof off like a common cold

Stagflation
18-07-2021, 16:14
Why the air quotes around vaccinations, you fucking moral binfire?

Simple, they don't induce immunity.

Stagflation
18-07-2021, 16:18
Do the CDC recommend someone of your age taking it though?

Who cares, I'm not taking one.

Visage
18-07-2021, 17:10
Simple, they don't induce immunity.That doesn't mean they're not vaccines though. They drastically decrease the severity of any infection.

Visage
18-07-2021, 18:41
The last time we had case numbers this high, hundreds were dying a day. Now with a high rate of vaccination, it's down to a handful.

So take your air quotes and shove them.

Visage
18-07-2021, 18:42
'vaccines' https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210718/15fc033c062504d2194cc209fe145e0e.jpg

Malcolm Tucker
18-07-2021, 19:21
Who cares, I'm not taking one.

Well you came on here with CDC figures about safety of the vaccine for children, implying you trust the CDC on this a bit. I wondered if you'd therefore looked into what they say about your age group? Guessing you have but that one contradicts your opinion so it's ignored. :loool:

Visage
18-07-2021, 19:29
'I trust anyone who agrees with my retarded opinions'

Visage
18-07-2021, 21:55
'vaccines' https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210718/e3a0e112d26362b92c0ef7a23b5abc0a.jpg

yourmum
18-07-2021, 22:00
The vaccines are going to cause a super variant and fuck all the Vaxxed good and proper
While people like me who never took the vax will have I compromised immune systems and still be able to fight the coof off like a common cold

it's not the vaccines that will create that you scientific iliterate cunt. What will cause it, is morally bankrupt leaders like Johnson who think its fine to have infection rates of 50K plus and still let everyone to go at it.

The variants arise through mutation chances each and every time the virus replicates itself in a human host. All the vaccine does is increase antibodies and to a certain extent trains your t-cell response. It's not like training super antibiotic resitant bacteria through over use in livestock feeds you simple ginger spastic fuck

Visage
19-07-2021, 07:50
I'm not sure what's worse, Stag being genuinely stupid, or Bakez pretending to be.

Stagflation
19-07-2021, 13:36
Get fucked Pauline, I'm just not regurgitating every right thinking point pumped into me by the BBC and the Guardian.

The safety concerns are up for debate (especially with the RNA type jabs) and only time will really tell the truth but I concede they are clearly effective on the original strain.

However, the mass deployment of these experimental vaccines will likely not bring the end of this pandemic but possibly lengthen it. Whilst you are protected from the original strain it's quite possible that with such large scale vaccine-mediated selection pressure you will be actually worse off in the long run as viral escape ensures a variant that will not be targeted by the vaccine induced antibodies.

Personally I have faith in a healthy immune system and lessening my potential exposure where possible. :loool:

Visage
19-07-2021, 13:53
But the current wave is already caused by a variant of the original virus, so the efficacy of the vaccine against variants is demonstrable.

Stagflation
19-07-2021, 17:48
Not really, the vaccinated who are not displaying symptoms are still hosting the virus. Their antibodie are less effective against the new variants and become a petri dish for the virus to mutate due to their imperfect immunity. If you look into it a lot of the case rises around the world they came AFTER mass vaccination.

Stagflation
19-07-2021, 18:04
COVID-19: 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus have been double jabbed, says Vallance

It comes as figures show most regions of England now have more coronavirus patients in hospital than at any point since mid-March.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317

Chuckles
19-07-2021, 20:42
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317

He corrected that to say that actually 60% were unvaccinated
:https://twitter.com/uksciencechief/status/1417204235356213252?s=21

Stagflation
19-07-2021, 21:15
The point still stands that the 'double jab' doesn't provide immunity, whether the possibilities of full vaccine escape variants happen is anyone's guess, but 'opening up' could well contribute to it. :loool:

Stagflation
20-07-2021, 08:38
So are all you gimps going along with the idea of vaccine passports?

Moses
20-07-2021, 09:42
Calm down.

Stagflation
20-07-2021, 10:07
That's a yes from Moses.

Calm down? As the thin end of the wedge of a totalitarian system is instigated that enforces a yearly Vax booster to take part in society? Calm down? Get fucked.

Malcolm Tucker
20-07-2021, 11:04
Ok but just going round in circles now, if you don't want the vaccine for libertarian reasons that's fine. Just stfu saying its experimental and dangerous because like chuckles said before, everything you've said so far has been nonsense.

Stagflation
20-07-2021, 12:11
So you're going along with the domestic vaccine passport idea? Internationally I don't have a huge problem with it, but the idea of having to show one to go to a pub though is draconian as fuck.

If you want to see what resistance to similar proposals should look like, look to our French cousins.

Malcolm Tucker
20-07-2021, 12:33
So you don't think vaccination passports are going to be introduced? I hope you're right but I know they're being pushed from all angles.

It's not enforceable or practical, I'm confident that needing a 'passport' to bypass restrictions isn't going to happen, not in the UK anyway, your personal vaccination status won't be a factor in government restrictions. As Chuckles says in a few months things will start to end and it'll be things like your local area, hospital admissions etc that will determine restriction changes, if any. Even a significant number of vaccinated people don't support drilling down to a personal level on this. If you don't want/care about the vaccine, that's that.

What you might find though is some private businesses will determine their own policies. Airlines might insist you show proof of vaccination or a recent negative test in order to fly with them. Cruise ships, festivals, stadiums etc as well. I think anything in which close proximity of people makes it more of a factor and an outbreak could threaten their business.
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yourmum
20-07-2021, 13:57
So are all you gimps going along with the idea of vaccine passports?

can't see how it will ever be implemented at least in any real way this year. The only way to make it work is by issuing everyone in this country with an ID card.

Paper ones will be forged and not everyone has a smartphone. Plus for the whole nightclub thing it's bollocks if anyone thinks that the bouncers will give even the remotest fucks about properly checking, plus what is Paedo Johnson going to do, put a detachment of old bill at every nightclub in the country ????

It was a bluff to try and coerce people to get vaccinated, it probably won't work and come september he will be doing a massive U turn saying that they might do it next year.

Johnson is what you call a classic politician cunt, i.e he thinks he talks a good game, but in actual fact he is just an empty piss soaked windbag scrotum chugging cunt.

yourmum
20-07-2021, 13:59
Ok but just going round in circles now, if you don't want the vaccine for libertarian reasons that's fine. Just stfu saying its experimental and dangerous because like chuckles said before, everything you've said so far has been nonsense.

this, or just get a nurse to inject it in your cock and get a blowie in the process and ask her to slip a rubber gloved finger up your arse at the same time. you might like it you miserable cunt

Oswald
20-07-2021, 15:51
FUCK the vax passports

yourmum
20-07-2021, 18:23
FUCK the vax passports

they won't happen. There is zero infrastructure in place to support it and if they rely purely on smartphone apps it won't work as not everyone has one, so if they then say you can get a hardcopy one, they will have the ever living fuck forged out of them.

As i said before it's not like bouncers are going to start iris scaning you in to the gaf and then double checking the authenticity of your docs against your health records.

It's a bullshit threat, from a spineless tory cunt.

Stagflation
20-07-2021, 18:31
Perhaps, but they'll be another winter lockdown so it won't matter anyway. :loool:

Oswald
21-07-2021, 10:35
they won't happen. There is zero infrastructure in place to support it and if they rely purely on smartphone apps it won't work as not everyone has one, so if they then say you can get a hardcopy one, they will have the ever living fuck forged out of them.

As i said before it's not like bouncers are going to start iris scaning you in to the gaf and then double checking the authenticity of your docs against your health records.

It's a bullshit threat, from a spineless tory cunt.

Ooooh your hard

yourmum
21-07-2021, 12:56
Ooooh your hard

yeah, thats what your mum said while I was banging her up the shit pipe. she fucking loved it the dirty munter.

Also note that Johnson already started the U turn in PMQ's today. He has gone from saying in his announcement that they were going to make vaccine passports needed for nightclub entry, to now saying "oh yeah, it's something we are looking at". Roughly translated, never going to happen, looking into it basically means burying it in the yard with the corpses of his ex wives.

Malcolm Tucker
21-07-2021, 14:37
It's probably just to encourage more to get vaccinated between now and september, the timeline gives it away, it'd take that long for it to be valid if they started the process about now.

Ultimately it boils down to what you believe you have an inalienable right to do in life.

Go on holiday whenever/wherever you want? Well no, not really.
Go into any venue whenever you want? Again, no, and this actually sets the libertarians against one another because they want freedom to go without passports but also freedom for businesses to decide their own rules. Certain venues might turn you away, which isn't new. Dress code, photo ID, invite only, nobody has the right to walk into any private venue.
Work in any profession you want without their health codes? Definitely not, you already need to be vaccinated against certain things to work in healthcare. You have to wear PPE if you're in dentistry etc. Your rights don't eclipse the business setting out its own rules. If it was a society where you have no say in what job you do then ok, but you can just work elsewhere. Likewise you're not forced to go clubbing, you can go to other places.

Moses
21-07-2021, 14:42
That's a yes from Moses.

Calm down? As the thin end of the wedge of a totalitarian system is instigated that enforces a yearly Vax booster to take part in society? Calm down? Get fucked.

-15VC4Yxzys

:rofl:

yourmum
21-07-2021, 14:49
It's probably just to encourage more to get vaccinated between now and september, the timeline gives it away, it'd take that long for it to be valid if they started the process about now.

Ultimately it boils down to what you believe you have an inalienable right to do in life.



in life we should all have the right to crush our enemies, see them driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women. Anything else is just not worth living for TBH..........

Visage
21-07-2021, 23:54
The point still stands that the 'double jab' doesn't provide immunity, whether the possibilities of full vaccine escape variants happen is anyone's guess, but 'opening up' could well contribute to it. :loool:Sigh. I'll explain it in simple terms.

Lots and lots of people are now double vaxed, with a low likelihood of hospitalisation.
A smaller number are unvaxed with a higher likelihood of hospitalisation.

It's entirely possible for the hospitalised people from the first group to outnumber those from the second, simply because the first group is so much larger. So the majority of hospitalised people are double vaxxed.

Have a picture, if it helps. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210721/2688244b11772ae16d37dc616a7cd810.jpg

Malcolm Tucker
22-07-2021, 00:44
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSeew4-j7Ca70uiBPcs-Z8yCwI6qHQb_yBhhA&usqp=CAU

gEt fUckEd

yourmum
22-07-2021, 09:47
Sigh. I'll explain it in simple terms.


Have a picture, if it helps.

Picture too complicated, why you no use crayons

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/71986693/you-fucking-spastic.jpg

Oswald
22-07-2021, 12:54
Sigh. I'll explain it in simple terms.

Lots and lots of people are now double vaxed, with a low likelihood of hospitalisation.
A smaller number are unvaxed with a higher likelihood of hospitalisation.

It's entirely possible for the hospitalised people from the first group to outnumber those from the second, simply because the first group is so much larger. So the majority of hospitalised people are double vaxxed.

Have a picture, if it helps. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210721/2688244b11772ae16d37dc616a7cd810.jpg

Did u write that at the water cooler with your mask on, while nervously trying to make conversation about how you are about to prove someone wrong on the internet?

Stagflation
22-07-2021, 17:39
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-delta-variant-lockdowns/However, while single-dose recipients are said to be at greater risk than those having received two doses, more fully "vaccinated" people have actually died from this variant. According to the PHE, of the 42 Britons who had died with the Delta variant as of mid-June, 12 had received two doses of gene therapy, compared to just seven single-dose recipients.More importantly, a June 11 PHE report shows that as a hospital patient, you are six times more likely to die of the COVID Delta variant if you are fully vaccinated, than if you are not vaccinated at all.

The information shows up in Table 6 of the 77-page document, which are labeled as the attendance to emergency care and deaths by vaccination status and confirmed Delta cases from February 1 to June 7.

Of 33,206 Delta variant cases admitted to the hospital, 19,573 were not vaccinated. Of those, 23 (or 0.1175%) died. But, of the 13,633 patients who were vaccinated with either one or two doses, 19 (or 0.1393%) died, which is an 18.6% higher death rate than for the unvaccinated patients. Seven of the 5,393 patients who were partially vaccinated with one dose died, or 0.1297%.

Of the 1,785 patients who had both vaccine doses 14 days or more before admission, 12 (or 0.6722%) died. This death rate is 5.72 times higher than that for unvaccinated patients. Put another way, if all 33,206 patients had been fully vaccinated, there would have been 223 deaths.

Yeah, no thanks.

Oswald
22-07-2021, 18:55
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-delta-variant-lockdowns/

Yeah, no thanks.

Top kek

Chuckles
23-07-2021, 00:19
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-delta-variant-lockdowns/

Yeah, no thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense

Lol

Stagflation
23-07-2021, 04:08
The data is legit, you could argue that unvaccinated are more likely that they are hospitalised, or that the vaccinated who are hospitalised are more likely to be older but to discount such things so easily and attack the source is pure cope.

Chuckles
23-07-2021, 10:40
The data is legit, you could argue that unvaccinated are more likely that they are hospitalised, or that the vaccinated who are hospitalised are more likely to be older but to discount such things so easily and attack the source is pure cope.

How did you come across that site out of interest?

Malcolm Tucker
23-07-2021, 11:13
Of 33,206 Delta variant cases admitted to the hospital, 19,573 were not vaccinated. Of those, 23 (or 0.1175%) died. But, of the 13,633 patients who were vaccinated with either one or two doses, 19 (or 0.1393%) died, which is an 18.6% higher death rate than for the unvaccinated patients. Seven of the 5,393 patients who were partially vaccinated with one dose died, or 0.1297%.

lol the unvaccinated are now primarily younger people, the most likely group to survive hospitalisation if they ever end up there. Vaccinated people are clustered primarily in the older age groups, and although it'll save a lot of lives obviously some will be too ill or frail for the vaccine to save. Eventually we will probably have the majority of covid deaths from the fully vaccinated, but if you know how to compare data sets correctly that shouldn't be a surprise. You wouldn't entertain helmets or seatbelts being more deadlier in accidents because most people who died in wrecks had them on compared to the fraction of morons driving around without.

The conclusion they've drawn, and what you're parroting is massively flawed, sorry. Yes the data they're using is technically right but data can be misinterpreted, probably deliberately, when you consider chuckles link about their motives and history.

If you still don't believe me, just think for a second that if you were really 6 times more likely to die of covid after being double vaxed, it'd be obvious right? The data like this would be literally impossible:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210718/e3a0e112d26362b92c0ef7a23b5abc0a.jpg

Second wave we still had basically nobody vaccinated, as third wave began about 30 million had second dose, 50 million with 1. How do you account for a collapsed death rate if the vaccine makes it more likely to die?

Chuckles
23-07-2021, 11:15
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/993879/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_15.pdf

What the Qanon site you linked to doesn't mention is that of 2166 that had a single dose in the previous 21 days, not a single death was recorded. Funny that.

The obvious answer is that to be double dosed for over 2 weeks by 7th June, you could have had to have been first jabbed at some time before the end of Feb, which puts you in the most vulnerable groups.

By June 7th 90% of everyone over 40 was vaccinated and even the majority of over 30's. So what you're saying is that the vaccine is bad because it makes an 80+ year old 6 times more likely to die than a 25 year old.

But in the other Covid thread, you were saying that the risk of death to <50 without pre-existing conditions was 0.01 compared with 1% for over 70's which is a factor of 100. So if the vaccine as reduced it from a factor of 100 to a factor of 6, it's pretty much a massive success :loool:

Chuckles
23-07-2021, 11:19
If you were really 6 times more likely to die of covid after being double vaxed, it'd be obvious, and data like this would be basically the opposite:

Yup. For a valid comparison, you need to compare (for example) infection to death ratio of unvaccinated 70-80 year old, or 40-50 year olds. You honestly think you'll see a X6 factor increase in deaths for those vaccinated? :loool:

yourmum
23-07-2021, 12:15
The data is legit, you could argue that unvaccinated are more likely that they are hospitalised, or that the vaccinated who are hospitalised are more likely to be older but to discount such things so easily and attack the source is pure cope.

the reason why the data isn't legit and is cherry picked bullshit is simple. The Signal detection and PV monitoring systems globally would have been exploding if the death rates of vaccinated people dying because of the vaccine was actually happening.

Contrary to the Qanon morons that you worship so dearly, it is actually impossible to cover this kind of data up because it is not managed by governments, it's managed by completely sepparate entities that have literally nothing to gain from lying. It's not even down to pharmacompanies as they can only try and cover shit up that happens in their clinical trials through non or partial disclosure, which is also ilegal and usually lands QP's and CEO's in jail. Safety monitoring groups like PRAC in the EMA don't even get funding from governments so they aren't even in a position to be coerced into covering shit up. They get 86% of the fudning they need directly from regualtory fees they charge pharma i.e assesment of new filings etc and 14% is from the EU which goes towards public health issues.

Trying to hold on to the moronic idea that there is some big conspiracy to hide "truth" from the unwashed peasants is literally for the fucking birds. What's the next thing you are going to spout, that the vaccine is part of bill gates global 5G network roll out and we all need it so we can contribute to the 5G era ?

Oswald
23-07-2021, 12:42
How did you come across that site out of interest?

RWSF

Oswald
23-07-2021, 12:44
I don’t care if the vax ‘works’ btw, I’m still not taking one
No ty to annual boosters year after year, FOREVER

Malcolm Tucker
23-07-2021, 13:47
unlucky, denmark is one of the strictest on needing a vax to go out to places lol

yourmum
23-07-2021, 13:53
I don?t care if the vax ?works? btw, I?m still not taking one
No ty to annual boosters year after year, FOREVER

which is perfectly acceptable as it's free choice. What is not acceptable though is the weapons grade bullshit conspiracy shit that people like Stag lap up and then quote as if it is fact / truth.

I couldn't give a fuck if people don't want the vaccination, that's up to them. Incidentally I am also against the idea of vaccination passes as that is a bunch of stinky bullshit.

Stagflation
24-07-2021, 10:35
Vaccinating the vulnerable was a good idea, forcing the rest of the population to isn't. If you want to be guinea pigs in a big pharma trial then be my guest. There are plenty of scientists who inform my views, I'm not into the Q shit lol. Top dog is probably Geert Vanden Bossche.

vGBDETOPAJA

Chuckles
24-07-2021, 12:04
https://factcheck.afp.com/mass-covid-19-vaccination-will-not-lead-out-control-variants

Some of his claims have also been spread by prominent anti-vaccine advocates Del Bigtree, Robert F. Kennedy Jr, and his non-profit organization Children’s Health Defence.

:loool:

Saying they are trials is rubbish as well. They are no different than any other vaccine which goes through 3 phase clinical trials and gets licensed. The paperwork was sped up due to the obvious urgency but these drugs went through the same process as any other. The false claim that these are only in the trial stage is based on the fact that the original trial participants are monitored for a further 3 years (2023) after the trial was concluded.

Malcolm Tucker
24-07-2021, 12:31
You're. Not. Being. Forced, ffs. You haven't had the vaccine, obviously not going to change your mind so why keep whining about it? Yes there's going to be campaigns for it but it's not for you any more, if your mind is made up. You're doing that thing now that Gervais jokes about. Seeing a poster for guitar lessons in on a noticeboard and getting mad 'But I don't fuckin' want guitar lessons :mad:'

Obviously people on here who have had the vax are going to talk about it in a thread called 'anyone been vaxxed yet?' but we get it, you're not. Don't need to keep telling us every few days :lmao:

Stagflation
25-07-2021, 08:15
It's not about me FFS, it's about
A. it not being the best strategy for defeating the virus, the variants are being spread by the vaccinated and such mass take up renders them useless as it guarantees vaccine resistant strains.
B. young people are not at risk, however much you protest and say these vaccines have been tested they have only been available recently, there is no long term trial data. Young people are already dying of reactions to the vaccines where it's almost certain they would not have died of the virus.
C. This is all being used to further an agenda where people will be on a digital plantation the rest of their lives.

Malcolm Tucker
25-07-2021, 14:45
Well try to look on the bright side, you've been wrong about so much on this virus already, you're probably wrong about all that too. It'll be fine.

Stagflation
25-07-2021, 15:50
Have I? :chin:

Malcolm Tucker
25-07-2021, 16:16
Yeah. For instance last September when our cases began to increase again you said:

I would bet that we don't see anything like the death toll as the first wave.

This turned out to be completely wrong. The second wave peaked higher than the first.

You're wrong about being double vaccinated increases your risk of death from covid by 6x. It's from a totally incorrect interpretation of the breakdown of hospitalised patients. This is obvious bollocks. You see that now, yes?

Also like Chuckles pointed out with vaccine, which you've ignored, you're actually still wrong by your own measurements on <50 risk ractors when talking about the alleged uselessness of the vaccine. So on at least one occasion now, you've proven yourself to be wrong without any our help anyway. :hehe:

Oswald
25-07-2021, 16:20
The death figures are bullshit

pies
25-07-2021, 20:48
Hands Face Space
Build Back Better
Northern Powerhouse
Freedom Day

The tories the tories the tories, not just them Labour are the same, 2 party ruling system

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Stagflation
26-07-2021, 15:54
Yeah. For instance last September when our cases began to increase again you said:

I was wrong there, yes. I underestimated how much people's immune systems dropped in winter.


This turned out to be completely wrong. The second wave peaked higher than the first.


I've never claimed omniscience.


You're wrong about being double vaccinated increases your risk of death from covid by 6x. It's from a totally incorrect interpretation of the breakdown of hospitalised patients. This is obvious bollocks. You see that now, yes?


I never claimed that, but the data is becoming clearer that the vaccines don't offer protection against the new variants. All the backtracking from the bad PR from the government about 60% of deaths from the double vaccinated turned out actually to be true. I also acknowledged why that would likely be the case before I was jumped on for posting a quote from a dubious source


Also like Chuckles pointed out with vaccine, which you've ignored, you're actually still wrong by your own measurements on <50 risk ractors when talking about the alleged uselessness of the vaccine. So on at least one occasion now, you've proven yourself to be wrong without any our help anyway. :hehe:

I've never claimed the vaccine is useless, but I do suspect that the mass rollout is a huge mistake. You'll have to read or listen to virologists to understand why and not simply swallow the propaganda from the mainstream.

Oswald
26-07-2021, 16:54
im part of the unvaxxed, and im proud of it

Malcolm Tucker
26-07-2021, 17:42
I was wrong there, yes. I underestimated how much people's immune systems dropped in winter.

Lol, always an answer. Without a vaccine a high case load will always translate to hospitalisations and deaths in a relatively predictable timespan. Multiple countries, seasons etc show this. Like clockwork.

I've never claimed omniscience.

No but when you confidently state one thing, then are completely way off, it should perhaps be a sign to maybe re-evaluate where you get your information from, what led you to be so wrong. Maybe you *don't* actually know what you're on about? Or the people you're quoting don't? Leave it to the people who know their stuff on this and follow the advice. Again, if you really don't want to be vaccinated against the virus due to political reasons then ok, but you're going to get challenged if you say it's because you're following the real science or something. You're just posting junk science from discredited places and people trying to scaremonger. I mean you know junk science is a thing, you can always go online and find Doctors/Scientists pushing homeopathy and reiki, intelligent design etc etc. It's nonsense, they bring shame on their profession but whatever, they're the minority.

I never claimed that, but the data is becoming clearer that the vaccines don't offer protection against the new variants. All the backtracking from the bad PR from the government about 60% of deaths from the double vaccinated turned out actually to be true. I also acknowledged why that would likely be the case before I was jumped on for posting a quote from a dubious source

It's always been known the vaccine's efficacy will diminish with variants, but not enough to be deemed ineffective. The UK is a really good case for why it's working, 99% of cases are of the Delta variant, but our vaccine rollout is still severely weakening the link between cases and deaths.

Obviously some people will still die, it's never going to be 100% effective, and the more that are vaccinated the more the people who do die will have been vaccinated but that's obvious. Or at least it should be. Pointing at the deaths of the vaccinated isn't proof of anything.


I've never claimed the vaccine is useless, but I do suspect that the mass rollout is a huge mistake. You'll have to read or listen to virologists to understand why and not simply swallow the propaganda from the mainstream.

Well so far it's not a huge mistake because it's clearly saving a lot of lives. The talk (by a Vet) of it producing vaccine resistant variants akin to bacterial resistance with antibiotics has been disputed by majority of scientists who work in that field, there's no evidence and no basis to believe viruses operate like that. Many viruses are successfully held at bay thanks to vaccinations, they haven't resulted in mutant resistance. It sounds like a very pedestrian analogy to me. What we know for sure already is variants have emerged in settings without vaccinations anyway as I think literally all the VoC pre-date the vaccine reaching significant levels in UK, Brazil, SA, India etc. The 'Alpha' strain is partly what powered our second wave and I don't think a single jab had been administered here yet. So it's not a problem that can be solved by stopping or limiting the rollout, if anything it looks like that would encourage variants to continue in the unvaccinated groups you'd want leaving out.

Moses
27-07-2021, 21:34
https://twitter.com/da_banks/status/1420059250676617224?s=21

Stag owned :ddsniggerjig:.

Oswald
28-07-2021, 16:26
https://twitter.com/da_banks/status/1420059250676617224?s=21

Stag owned :ddsniggerjig:.
1% mortality aged 85 and over :lmao:

In any given week OAPs have a greater than 1% of dieing anyway

Malcolm Tucker
28-07-2021, 16:35
Read it, that's the risk of catching AND dying from it combined as a way to measure vaccine's effect on transmission and deaths. Remember the odds of getting it have always been quite low, people take precautions and that helps your numbers dramatically (can't die of something you haven't caught)

80 year olds who did catch it when unvaccinated actually had about 5-20% of dying depending on comorbities - that's why we saw big spikes in excess mortality, OAPs (and others) were no longer simply dying at the expected rate, but a lot faster. Right as a virus hit, lol. :chin:

For youngsters it was like 0.1% so averaged across all ages and factors it was 0.7% chance of death when unvaccinated.

Oswald
28-07-2021, 17:15
:bakez:

Ok covtard Craig

Malcolm Tucker
28-07-2021, 18:42
lol owned

Moses
28-07-2021, 20:27
https://twitter.com/nickbaumann/status/1420458590222098439?s=21

= stag

Oswald
28-07-2021, 22:43
https://twitter.com/nickbaumann/status/1420458590222098439?s=21

= stagtldr u stupid tooff cunt
ill fuck you up the moment i see u irl
trust me
i will do u fuckin in proper

yourmum
29-07-2021, 13:30
tldr u stupid tooff cunt
ill fuck you up the moment i see u irl
trust me
i will do u fuckin in proper

you couldn't fucking do a paper bag in you dumb ginger piece of donkey shit. The only thing you fuck up is your life and you fucked that up properly you spastic cuntwit

Malcolm Tucker
29-07-2021, 14:28
tldr u stupid tooff cunt
ill fuck you up the moment i see u irl
trust me
i will do u fuckin in proper

You're already due in court for assaulting a digger, so I'd watch your temper mate.

Moses
29-07-2021, 17:09
tldr u stupid tooff cunt
ill fuck you up the moment i see u irl
trust me
i will do u fuckin in proper

Aren?t you a manlet? Do you even lift?

6?3? master race over here.

dimle
29-07-2021, 20:02
Getting a bit serious at our place

https://www.dmpoole.co.uk/pics/uhnmcovid.jpg

Visage
09-08-2021, 00:05
White men: So very fucking alpha that they can be undone by a very very small square of cloth.

Cry harder. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210808/72e23cd536e027b243d51019050198e5.jpg

Oswald
09-08-2021, 09:52
Getting a bit serious at our place

https://www.dmpoole.co.uk/pics/uhnmcovid.jpg

Are we gonna get another lockdown

Stagflation
10-08-2021, 15:47
You always were.

Malcolm Tucker
10-08-2021, 16:02
we need climate lockdowns, until co2 ppm decreases

- wfh
- cap on purchases that have to be imported from china
- incentives to buy local
- limit going out and non-essential travel
- ban on petrol cars by 2025
- trump style stimulus to all motorists, 5k to spend on electric car or bike
- climate marshals employment for layabouts
- climate bootcamps for denialists and serial offenders (refusal to do curb recycling, burning stuff in chimnea etc)

Stagflation
10-08-2021, 16:51
Nice troll, Commie Craig. ;)