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Frank Castle
02-05-2020, 06:13
Literally fucked mate.

Airlines fucked

Rolls Royce fucked

Local councils fucked requiring billion pound bailouts

You’re all going to lose everything LOOOL

I’m ok tho cos I’m mint :sv:

Frank Castle
02-05-2020, 06:18
The thing is this is just the start of it, by this time next year everything will be ABSOLUTELY CUNTED :loool:

Like folks are thinking a blip and then it will get back to where we were. Nah mate, a slow death with more and more businesses going into administration as we approach Xmas and into next summer

Why do I find this amusing ? Because I have nothing to lose. And after the pretend economic repair after 2009, by way of QE I knew it was going to fail in an even bigger way, so I got out of construction and did my hgv. Always jobs on wagons :sv: Like the FTSE has recovered some what to plus 6k points ... yeah sure it has lol, FTSE is absolute bollox lads

Frank Castle
02-05-2020, 10:27
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/29/federal-reserve-global-economy-coronavirus-pandemic-inflation-terminal-deflation-is-coming/

Moses
02-05-2020, 14:07
Good thing the flat I bought last year is in Scotland. When Queen Nicola declares independence she’ll lead us to the economic wonderland and my flat will double in value :yes:.





:dolefrog:

Moses
02-05-2020, 14:09
Don’t worry lads, at least the Brexit transition negotiations are going well and we won’t end up with a no deal ending to all that jazz :shifty:.

Oswald
03-05-2020, 12:39
0.6% fixed 5 year mortgages right now

and the gubbermint will put tax breaks on interest for mortgages when rates start rising, and they will keep pouring in the 3rd worlders on covid refugee grounds
the pension age will be raised and your pension contributions will end up being taxed instead of tax free like the boomers had it

business as usual it looks like

COVID is just being dragged out as a tool for more surveillance and for political saving face. the politicians cant back down now and make it look like it was nothing. thats why its wall to wall COVID all day every day on every channel
they will fuck some non essential businesses like individually owned pubs, gyms, cafes and the self employed in general, and destroy the long term health of loads of people after having no outdoor activity, socialisation or exercise for months on end, but that wont matter to them in the long run

also the UK is now in the post christian stage, we are now worshipping the NHS, the NHS is our religion and the key workers are the angels
there will literally be NHS shrines built to pray and worship at after this
this is the final stage before full islamification, since the NHS will collapse when Islam takes over in about 2040

Malcolm Tucker
03-05-2020, 14:16
wish we'd had a 3 year fixed now rather than 5, 0.1% base rate ffs :lmao:

Moses
03-05-2020, 16:01
Ikr, I have a five year fixed which started in October 2019 :picard:. 1.72% :waiting:.

Visage
03-05-2020, 17:17
wish we'd had a 3 year fixed now rather than 5, 0.1% base rate ffs :lmao:

Took out a base rate tracker in June 2008 when the base rate was 5%

Thats minted the fuck out of me ever since.

Oswald
03-05-2020, 19:59
Ikr, I have a five year fixed which started in October 2019 :picard:. 1.72% :waiting:.u clueless cunt

rates will be 7% by 2025

Visage
03-05-2020, 20:46
u clueless cunt

rates will be 7% by 2025

No. We're about to enter a massive depression, so why on earth would central banks raise interest rates?

Oswald
03-05-2020, 21:10
to control the inflation
we are going back to the end of the 70s

Visage
03-05-2020, 23:05
Inflation caused by?

Oswald
04-05-2020, 10:22
the fed and BOE are about to print 30trillion to stave off the deflation
then its inflation all the way

Visage
04-05-2020, 11:03
Just like in 2008, right, hence all the rampant inflation ever since?

Malcolm Tucker
04-05-2020, 14:06
This is nothing like 2008.

Frank Castle
04-05-2020, 18:09
Exactly crog.

This is IT

Malcolm Tucker
04-05-2020, 20:16
In all seriousness inflation was already rising a little quicker than boe would have liked and was probably going to go above the target on its own, but they were ready to raise interest rates a little (0.75 they got to I think?) to keep it under control

Now three inflationary things have happened out of fucking nowhere in no time at all.

1. Interest rates lowest in how long? probably the history of the country? 0.1%. They can't raise that again any time soon without smashing everyone who is getting through this on borrowed money. Think of how many are covering their 20% furlough wage reduction with money they don't have? Private debt was already sky high and savings non-existent, this was an issue in its own right now it's even worse as coronavirus has likely poured petrol on this. So raising interest rates to fight inflation will be last thing they want to do or they'll only be able to tinker with it by minuscule fractions of a percent, it's not going to go up to any significant level any time soon, everything has settled to a new normal with ultra cheap rates, if anything the average household is only managing to handle that as it is, there's absolutely no headroom for interest rates to go up

2. High demand and low supply for all sorts of consumer goods, food, drink, pretty much anything imported so, you know, most things. The only thing dipping slightly (arguably not nearly enough considering OIL IS LITERALLY CHEAPER THAN A FREDDO) is petrol, but most people aren't feeling the full benefit as car use has plummeted. We're still on the same tank of petrol since this all started. The lawnmower is probably the highest user of petrol in the household now. :lmao: So even though the money is not spent there, it's spent elsewhere (energy bills sky high for a lot of families right now) so I think most are worse off with cost of living.

3. Last but not least, UK is issuing a metric fucktonne of government bonds to pay for just 3 months of this economic earthquake, but the figures are all on a retarded assumption the country will miraculously spring back in July. They will be pumping even more money into virtually every sector of the economy for another 6-8 months at least.

All of this is inflationary as fuck. As a lot of economists said after the 2008 recession, when tories hamstrung the recovery and we've sorted of been in an economic malaise through the 2010s, we've been left badly exposed to another economic shock. Banks may have shored up emergency capital (I bet they've been burning through that at a rate of knots lately) but we still had a way to go to be back to pre-2008 norms. We deployed our arsenal of weapons and don't have much left apart from just hurling money at everything. It's all we have, open up the taps and hope the currency doesn't devalue too much too quickly. Sterling will be fine though, it won't inflate wildly, it'll never happen to us. It's just one of those things you read about but you don't really think it'll happen. Like that global pandemic they're always banging on about that'll kill millions. Yeah yeah.

Visage
04-05-2020, 23:50
But the original point made by Bakez was that we were headed for steep rises in interest rates.

Not going to happen.

Plus its hard to suggest that post covid things are going to be very inflationary - its not like theres going to be huge pent up demand in the economy. The money being pumped in is essentially Keynesian to keep the economy on life support.

Malcolm Tucker
05-05-2020, 00:07
I suppose bakez is saying they may feel they have no choice, what'll fuck people the least, letting inflation run high for a sustained period or pressure it downwards but cripple people and businesses in debt

the issue is if we'd have been at 2007 interest rates and inflation etc when this covid hit the measures would be more prominent, now it just feels so impotent to lower a base rate already so close to zero from the last crisis, cheap loans and money were our normality, we have nowhere lower to go

Visage
05-05-2020, 01:29
True. That lever is fucked.

I guess thats why the US are pumping 3 trillion dollars into the economy. Scenes.

Malcolm Tucker
05-05-2020, 09:27
Debt ceiling removed and turned into an outdoor patio area.

Frank Castle
05-05-2020, 09:37
Meanwhile I’m minted. Just spent a weeks wages on bike parts Loool

My flat only costs £400 pm

Fasand lads innit

Frank Castle
05-05-2020, 09:41
Also I’m using loads of diesel and super unleaded. Bike only does 30mpg when raped, but I’ve noticed a considerable saving compared to usual

Oswald
05-05-2020, 11:16
But the original point made by Bakez was that we were headed for steep rises in interest rates.

Not going to happen.

Plus its hard to suggest that post covid things are going to be very inflationary - its not like theres going to be huge pent up demand in the economy. The money being pumped in is essentially Keynesian to keep the economy on life support.

i said by 2025 faggot

Oswald
05-05-2020, 11:17
anyway ill be alright, im gonna start a cask ale brewery in the next 2 years, just as they all shut down and all pubs go out of business

Frank Castle
05-05-2020, 11:33
Sounds mint

Btw u need to learn to home brew and just upscale with better equipment

I’ve been all over this for a couple of years

Malcolm Tucker
05-05-2020, 11:48
post your setup

Frank Castle
05-05-2020, 12:28
2 plastic brewing vessels which I bottle into plastic bottles

Frank Castle
05-05-2020, 12:30
One day I’ll get into full grain with stainless steel boiler etc

But tbh I’ve cut down on my drinking by 60%

Only have 8 cans on a Friday and Saturday night now so not bothered with home brewing for months

Malcolm Tucker
12-05-2020, 11:33
So everyone who can't work from home should go back to work. But not Monday like you'd probably assume would be the first working day after a Sunday, but on Wednesday. When we say everyone, we don't mean everyone. Not hairdressers or stuff like that. You need to be socially distancing at work, unless you can't, in which case wear a mask, which doesn't really protect you. When we say mask, we mean a piece of cloth, masks are for NHS workers. Wear them while you're shopping. Beforehand the virus was not present in Sainsburys, so we didn't want you to cover your face but the virus has now mutated and can now pass through supermarket doors so it's time for everyone to start wearing face coverings.

Don't go on public transport. Walk, cycle or teleport to work. We understand it's hard to do social distancing on a train so to help, we'll run reduced services. That's right, to help the carriages be less crowded, we'll be running fewer of them, less often.

Go outside as often as you like, but remain at home as much as possible. Visit one parent at a time in the park, not both. If strangers are the same distance away from you as your parent, that's fine, but if you recognise one of those strangers, you must leave the park. Or they must. Preferably both. All of this is England only. Not yet though, Wednesday onwards idiots.

Do not talk in the street. Only gather in the street to clap and bang pots on a Thursday at 8pm, or in special circumstances to sing Vera Lynn's absolute bangers. All other times please stay at home as much as possible, unless you're going out for your unlimited daily exercise.

You can go to the beach, drive there if you want, while taking a break from remaining at home as much as possible. Unless it's in Wales in which case you'll be arrested.

What's not to understand.

Moses
12-05-2020, 18:15
Furlough scheme extended... problem is the longer it goes on the less likely their job will exist when it ends. And a load of people might get binned off in August if employers have to take on a significant chunk of that 80% cost.

Frank Castle
13-05-2020, 09:11
Lol this is so mint :loool:

All these lazy bastards enjoying furlough, getting pissed, thinking they’re on some extended public holiday, they are suddenly going to be made redundant and lose everything they ever had because millions of idiots are going to be fighting to get a job in screwfix or starve to death

LOOOOL

Malcolm Tucker
13-05-2020, 13:48
Furlough scheme extended... problem is the longer it goes on the less likely their job will exist when it ends. And a load of people might get binned off in August if employers have to take on a significant chunk of that 80% cost.

1922 committee are going apeshit :lmao: They think Sunak harbours socialist ideals and is going way too far with all this, but the alternative is blatantly worse IMO. The amount of businesses that would be gone by now would be staggering. It' so much easier to resume 'paused' businesses than to let them go under and wait for them to organically come back. This still won't save all of them obviously, but it's a bit like Deep Impact, save who you can in the mountain bunkers, you'll need them to rebuild when the dust settles. Some will still die before then, but it's better than just stay out in the open and try to plod on regardless of the comet hitting.

The old backbench codgers still cling to old free market philosophies, let the market decide, adapt to survive etc. Applicable for some stuff, but only in normal times. Businesses in services/hospitality etc simply will not survive this under the usual capitalist tools. They need state intervention to have any hope, it's an awkward truth for the Tories. Can you imagine if the majority wasn't so solid? Still a fractured minority government? There'd have been about 20 coups by now. :hehe:

Oswald
13-05-2020, 13:51
Most of the country was already on furlough anyway judging by the amount of tax credits going around

Malcolm Tucker
13-05-2020, 13:57
Apparently if you include pubic sector workers the state is now paying over half of all wages.

Moses
13-05-2020, 15:38
Think it's if you include furloughed people, public sector and benefits recipients/pensioners.

They have to keep the scheme running now, but it's soooooo expensive they'll have to ratchet it down once businesses are allowed to work again... although obvs loads will fail at that point.

Frank Castle
13-05-2020, 16:09
Be honest then, who here is worried about their current employment?

natalie
13-05-2020, 16:20
I work for a pub. Little bit worried, but then its part of a big chain so will most likely be ok.

If I get made redundant its not a big deal because I don't actually need to work, I do it for something to do.

Moses
13-05-2020, 17:35
That's bait :no:.

Visage
13-05-2020, 17:37
Seems like an excellent time to bin most of our international trade agreements.

Moses
13-05-2020, 17:37
Be honest then, who here is worried about their current employment?

Civil servant so too important to let go :shifty:. Being too pathetic and risk averse to jump to the private sector has finally paid off :iamfat:.

Moses
13-05-2020, 17:40
Seems like an excellent time to bin most of our international trade agreements.

Yeah but Liz Truss is working on getting a trade deal Japan.



Which'll almost certainly be less good than the one members of the EU are automatically part of (and which we benefit from during the transition).


:cry:

Frank Castle
13-05-2020, 20:18
Seems like an excellent time to bin most of our international trade agreements.

Still going on about that mayte, come on ffs, it’s over

Malcolm Tucker
13-05-2020, 21:51
Seems like an excellent time to bin most of our international trade agreements.

Can't trigger another recession if you're already in one.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/022/138/highresrollsafe.jpg

Moses
13-05-2020, 22:06
That's genuinely gonna be their argument though. They'll blame any Brexit chaos on Covid-19 and vast swathes of people will accept it. Infuriating.

Visage
13-05-2020, 23:35
Yup. It was going to be amazing, and the reason you're now eating rat is 100% down to Covid, not Brexit

natalie
14-05-2020, 17:02
That's bait :no:.

Ok.

Oswald
15-05-2020, 16:28
Ok.

you rancid pigslut

Frank Castle
15-05-2020, 17:31
SHE FEEDS HER BABIES FROM HER COCKROACH VAGINA

Visage
15-05-2020, 18:09
She's still not going to fuck you.

Frank Castle
15-05-2020, 18:21
All the classics

Oswald
16-05-2020, 13:09
pubs are fucked totally

Frank Castle
16-05-2020, 20:22
Nah only the big shit ones. The little brewery tap house bars and micro pubs are going to be fine

dimle
16-05-2020, 23:16
pubs are fucked totally

I think I might as well give up playing in pub bands

Moses
16-05-2020, 23:34
I think I might as well give up playing in pub bands

Finally some news to lift the nation's spirits.

Malcolm Tucker
17-05-2020, 14:31
pubs are fucked totally

yep, until there's a really good treatment or vaccine they're fucked, in fact anything that relies on decent levels of social contact/atmosphere to be enjoyable is completely written off for this year at least IMO

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-is-this-the-pub-of-the-future-for-enjoying-a-post-lockdown-pint-11989802

As nice as the effort is for that, it's shit, I don't see the point going to a pub to experience it in a 'one way system' in perspex cubes and your food prepared by people who look like welders. Is it worth it? I will be in no rush to go back into them, I doubt I'm alone.

Plus the moment someone who goes in a pub and later contracts covid, whether it's from the pub or not, will trigger the whole thing to be shut and scare the shit out of all the punters who were in there as the 'tracers' or that app alert them that they've been exposed

Moses
17-05-2020, 19:57
Dunno, there are different types of pubs. The ones frequented by idiotic poor people might do alright. Where the clientele think this is a hoax or blown out of all proportion.

Also in Scotland where the functioning alcoholics I know (aka my Scottish friends) almost rioted when pubs closed. They’ll rush straight back for sure.

Malcolm Tucker
17-05-2020, 20:19
Yeah but those numbers could be a far cry from what the pubs will be hoping for. You'll have a very cautious public for the most part, and there's even the other end of the spectrum from the conspiracy nutters, you have the ones absolutely terrified about catching it and are going to really struggle to countenance resuming a normal life. I have no idea how many but I would not be surprised if a significant minority will curb their social life until this is properly over. I'm talking a reliable vaccine rolling out, barely any cases, no deaths etc. I know plenty of people who believe a second wave in winter is inevitable and do not expect the lockdown to be lifted for very long, if at all. They have no intention of risking it for a pub meal.

It's partly why I think the projection that GDP will spring back rapidly is bollocks. Hospitality is going to be stunted for ages.

Stagflation
18-05-2020, 11:50
Bars and restaurants open from today in Poland. :ddsniggerjig:

Malcolm Tucker
18-05-2020, 12:11
rip stag

Frank Castle
18-05-2020, 12:33
It’s a hoax u thick bastards

Frank Castle
18-05-2020, 12:33
It’s a hoax u thick bastards

Malcolm Tucker
18-05-2020, 12:54
thought you had it?

Frank Castle
18-05-2020, 14:39
Yeah I have

Most people have

It’s just flu that’s being used to force evermore draconian and Orwellian control measures on us

Malcolm Tucker
18-05-2020, 15:53
You can get a private antibody test to find out. More and more people are doing that and the 'nasty cold they had in december' that they've convinced themselves was covid turns out to be ... just a nasty cold.

It just isn't so undetectable that it's been here ages, otherwise we'd not have had the additional death spikes from covid deaths, globally, in March we'd have had them in December etc. People forget if it was truly just a mild bit of flu type illness, we'd not even know about it. Instead it got attention fairly quickly as people presented in hospital in Wuhan.

Frank Castle
18-05-2020, 16:25
You’ll believe any old bullshit mayte

It’s manipulation of the figures and all sorts

Malcolm Tucker
18-05-2020, 16:45
you massively overestimate the competence of every government, health service and medical industry in the world to pull this off in concert :hehe:

Visage
19-05-2020, 00:50
What would be the aim of this fiendish plot involving dozens of governments, scientists and various multinational agencies such as the WHO?

Hard to see how the Venn diagram of their interests intersects.

Stagflation
19-05-2020, 09:06
Putting forward laws to suspend people's rights, increasing surveilence, controlling movement, making money, who knows maybe there's a fiendish plan to crash the economies, creative destruction to implement some new society. :loool:

Databases of 'clean' individuals, increased border controls, the relatively free world of the last century becoming a thing of the past. At the very least I bet they try and phase out cash in more places because 'it spreads disease'.

:ssparrot:

Malcolm Tucker
19-05-2020, 09:17
probably more likely a last ditch attempt to save the climate after years of pissing about

"we need to cease virtually all travel, force as many as possible to work from home instead of commuting, people need to be told this is to save the environment"

"they'll never do it... you need to scare them indoors"

"release one of the viruses, start it off in some chinese shithole, not a super deadly one, but enough to get us indoors"

"do we involve the US president on this one?"

"no, jesus, god no, with a bit of luck he'll catch this one and die"

Malcolm Tucker
19-05-2020, 09:17
probably more likely a last ditch attempt to save the climate after years of pissing about

"we need to cease virtually all travel, force as many as possible to work from home instead of commuting, people need to be told this is to save the environment"

"they'll never do it... you need to scare them indoors"

"release one of the viruses, start it off in some chinese shithole, not a super deadly one, but enough to get us indoors"

"do we involve the US president on this one?"

"no, jesus, god no, with a bit of luck he'll catch this one and die"

Oswald
19-05-2020, 16:23
Putting forward laws to suspend people's rights, increasing surveilence, controlling movement, making money, who knows maybe there's a fiendish plan to crash the economies, creative destruction to implement some new society. :loool:

Databases of 'clean' individuals, increased border controls, the relatively free world of the last century becoming a thing of the past. At the very least I bet they try and phase out cash in more places because 'it spreads disease'.

:ssparrot:

Can you get cask ale in Poland?
Or are they all lager louts

The decline of the West coincides exactly with the decline in cask ale

Oswald
19-05-2020, 17:40
Nan died from covid btw, APPARENTLY
Professional smoker for 70 years up to 40 a day, 85 years old weighing 5stone and about 5ft2 when she used to be 5ft10, in a care home and being treated with a chest infection

Didn’t get covid diagnosis until after she died

Frank Castle
19-05-2020, 20:09
My condolences. And unfortunately a story I’ve heard from 3 friends now, yourself included.

Stagflation
19-05-2020, 20:11
Can you get cask ale in Poland?
Or are they all lager louts


You can but there is a lot of lager and of course vodka.


The decline of the West coincides exactly with the decline in cask ale

Correlation != causation :hehe:

Oswald
19-05-2020, 21:41
My condolences. And unfortunately a story I’ve heard from 3 friends now, yourself included.she prob didnt even have covid

Moses
20-05-2020, 08:27
Nan died from covid btw, APPARENTLY
Professional smoker for 70 years up to 40 a day, 85 years old weighing 5stone and about 5ft2 when she used to be 5ft10, in a care home and being treated with a chest infection

Didn’t get covid diagnosis until after she died

RIP. Only have two properly old people left (paternal grandmother and the sister in law of my late maternal grandmother)... one’s in a fancy care home up here so probably FUCKED.

Although my father is 70 ffs.

Frank Castle
20-05-2020, 09:04
All of them will die soon, I’m sorry to inform you

Moses
20-05-2020, 14:07
That’ll pay for my attic conversion.

Oswald
20-05-2020, 17:50
That’ll pay for my attic conversion.

:loool:
That’s if they don’t leave their estate to a dogs home

natalie
20-05-2020, 22:15
You can get a private antibody test to find out. More and more people are doing that and the 'nasty cold they had in december' that they've convinced themselves was covid turns out to be ... just a nasty cold.

It just isn't so undetectable that it's been here ages, otherwise we'd not have had the additional death spikes from covid deaths, globally, in March we'd have had them in December etc. People forget if it was truly just a mild bit of flu type illness, we'd not even know about it. Instead it got attention fairly quickly as people presented in hospital in Wuhan.

I had pneumonia in December. There was just a particularly bad bug going round then.

Moses
20-05-2020, 23:47
I had pneumonia in December. There was just a particularly bad bug going round then.

I’m sorry to hear that you survived.

Malcolm Tucker
21-05-2020, 11:44
No way schools are opening 1st June. :no:

Hard to see how this isn't a massive balls up, the infection rate and case numbers might well indicate relative safety for schools by then but they tie themselves up in knots by setting an unrealistic and arbitrary deadline for things, hang all the plans off them, and then when it's inevitably missed have to try and make up a response in the mess. They've told the public (parents, in this case) and teachers that schools will be fine, mostly because they will have a world beating track and trace system in place by time they open and it will control outbreaks.

Now it's come out that the app is a pile of shit and won't be ready by 1st June. So the result is schools reopening without a major defence against the virus being in place. Of course councils and unions think it's bonkers to plow on with the deadline regardless. What's the point in opening them too soon? If it flares back up they'll be shut and if a teacher or a pupil dies then blame will squarely land with government for riding roughshod over everyone who was asking for them to review the plan.

The minute anyone criticising this it's called "unpatriotic" and "just finding fault with them, they're doing their best" :picard: Laura Kunesberg appears to have completely given up asking awkward questions. Is she also pregnant with a Boris baby? It seems it's left to just Piers Morgan to call them out on the bullshit, which makes all this even more surreal as I find myself agreeing with him so often.

All people want, whether you voted for this total crock of a party or not, is just a bit of honesty and realism with all this, if the app isn't going to be ready, just tell us, push the opening dates for schools back a bit and say without the track and trace in place they're not comfortable asking schools to open. They might get some grumbling but I think the response would be largely positive.

Instead they're going to do the usual, barrel towards the deadline in total denial, tell everyone to wave the flags harder, believe in the plan and then crash onto the rocks of reality a few days before it, pull a u-turn and gaslight us for ever thinking 1st June was the date they said.

Malcolm Tucker
21-05-2020, 11:44
edit; double post yet again ffs

Stagflation
21-05-2020, 13:00
Who gives a fuck about some stupid app, summer will be here = no virus outside + greater immunity.

28,330 died of flu 5 years ago, we're now at 35,704 dead this year from 'Corona'. All this talk of Armageddon is bullshit, all because some loopy scientist reckoned 500,000 would die according to his shitty model. I'm not saying it's 'just flu' but the way this thing has been handled is so bollocks, not quarantining new arrivals into the UK AT ALL while the underground runs as normal, no mandatory mask wearing in enclosed spaces, sending codgers with confirmed corona to care homes. Yet all people can bark on about is testing and some dystopian tracking program, good grief.

Malcolm Tucker
21-05-2020, 14:01
It's not a zero sum game, the care home situation is another balls up. This is just the present balls up. The lack of airport quarantine was apparently 'guided by the science' regarding the optimum time to do it and in our case when not do it, but I'm yet to hear the actual scientific argument behind it, if there even is one. At face value it makes no sense to try and hammer down the number of cases, while simultaneously allowing a unknown number of cases to enter the UK every single time a plane lands.

Malcolm Tucker
21-05-2020, 14:16
28,330 died of flu 5 years ago, we're now at 35,704 dead this year from 'Corona'.

Bear in mind though it's month 5 of 12 (assuming it arrived 1st Jan as well) and the 35k is in spite of lockdown measures rather than lack of them like influenza. Without them it's hard to see how the death toll wouldn't be far higher. We're commenting on the deadliness of a tiger when it's been caged.

I think the scientific consensus has come to it being 10x deadlier than seasonal flu.

Visage
21-05-2020, 18:52
Also 'only' 35,000 have died *after* we shutdown the entire country.

You sound like one of those people who bang on about how nothing happened as a result of Y2k, therefore all the money spent on mitigation was wasted, as there clearly wasnt a problem.

Oswald
21-05-2020, 19:12
Obedient Visage believes and agrees with all government actions :yes:

Moses
21-05-2020, 21:29
The school situation is a clusterfuck. Saying they need the app then not. Saying other countries have done it so we can whilst ignoring that’s because those other countries have far fewer cases at the time and effective track and trace. Saying they’ve recruiting 25k tracers and trained them when in reality they’ve just accepted anyone and given them SHIT e-learning.

Now it seems loads of local authorities are bottling it and saying it’s down to individual schools/heads to decide. Fucking lol.

Moses
21-05-2020, 21:31
Also reeeee at buying in Edinburgh seven months ago and now I don’t have to be in the office and won’t have to be this calendar year at least. Could be living anywhere in the UK with internet ffs. Instead I’m in one of the most expensive places. Half tempted to rent my flat for a while and go down south to stay with family. Would save a shit load.

Chuckles
21-05-2020, 22:24
28,330 died of flu 5 years ago, we're now at 35,704 dead this year from 'Corona'.

The covid figure you're quoting is only the deaths confirmed by a test in hospital. There are around 15k more than that. Also comparing a year with an 8 week period isn't a good comparison. By March 2021 COVID deaths are going to be a lot higher.

The death rate is 0.8% so you're talking half a million people if everyone gets it

Malcolm Tucker
21-05-2020, 22:56
Not even counting those who will die because of it, but not actually from it. Part of the whole reason we're doing lockdown. If the NHS is overwhelmed it isn't just preventable deaths in coronavirus patients that'll rack up, it's those who need urgent care and simply can't get it in time. People can split hairs all they want about covid being blamed for everything but if there's a big fuck off spike of non-covid deaths the same time as a pandemic it'll be obvious why and for all intents and purposes it amounts to the same thing, especially with the families who will conclude if it wasn't for the pandemic their loved one would probably still be here.

Malcolm Tucker
21-05-2020, 23:06
Now it seems loads of local authorities are bottling it and saying it’s down to individual schools/heads to decide. Fucking lol.

Someone phoned in on r2 and said "The real date the government think it's safe is in September. That's when their kids are returning to Eton. End of discussion."

ooof :loool:

Oswald
22-05-2020, 09:59
Can’t run the NHS without refugees
But refugees 3x more likely to die and need treatment due to racism from sunlight
Something doesn’t add up

I just fucking new it the moment covid started, it would just be another event to push multikult and how the poor ethnics need help

Every narrative of every event is all so predictable

Moses
22-05-2020, 19:11
Didn't a study say that being black on its own doesn't mean you're more likely to die... but black people are more likely to be obese, diabetic, have shitter jobs where they have to interact with people, etc... so that leads to them being more likely to die.

Just did my bit to save the economy. Had central heating put in this week and heroically paid straight away.

Frank Castle
22-05-2020, 21:46
Covid isn’t even real u fucking retards

As soon as you realise this you are no longer at risk

Funny that

Frank Castle
04-06-2020, 08:45
People are still sitting at home on furlough, absolutely clueless to the economic time bomb that is yet to even begin to show. Yes we’re getting little rumblings and a few redundancies, but when furlough stops, many people all over the Uk from many industries and sectors are going to be absolutely FUCKED

I mean I’m only getting 3-4 days a week at min as a self employed hgv driver, and I’m lucky as some of the lads I know doing this are getting 1 day a week if they’re lucky

Even Boris is warning is that the shit is going to hit the fan in a big way

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-will-lead-to-many-job-losses-a4459126.html

Frank Castle
04-06-2020, 08:47
Furlough is just the latest version of QE In a roundabout way

Malcolm Tucker
04-06-2020, 09:43
People still think it's a choice between protecting the economy and protecting people from the virus.

They're heavily linked, opening things up to normal may bring about 1-2 weeks of economic revival but it will then begin to go tits up as the virus surges just as strongly, then huge amounts of people start going off sick, being hospitalised, and eventually dying again in significant numbers - the idea this won't smash the economy as well is total fantasy, it will absolutely fuck it, for even longer because of the workforce collapsing, the government will lose control, telling workers to march into blatantly unsafe offices, factories etc will just result in strikes, people refusing to work except anywhere but home, you'll even get civil unrest as scores of people die and the government refuses to back down on pretending everything is fine - it'd just be chaos. :no:

They've opted for the least worst option, to hibernate the economy, it won't save everything but it will save more than simply letting everything go to shit. Most people agree, it's why they had record approval ratings and poll numbers despite their actions translating into an economic crash, it's widely understood they were making the best of a bad situation and the alternative was worse.

However they are shitting themselves on how long this lockdown is taking to ease, and when the next one might be. It's why I think they're pushing to re-open as much as they can at the moment while the summer is here, even against some of the SAGE advice. Make hay while the sun shines and get some businesses an income again for a bit before a second wave comes, probably peaking in the winter.

Frank Castle
04-06-2020, 14:13
You’re a thick cunt.

The virus is bullshit and harmless to the workforce

ITS ONLY HARMFUL IF YOURE OLD AND ILL U IDIOT

Frank Castle
04-06-2020, 14:23
You’re a thick cunt.

The virus is bullshit and harmless to the workforce

ITS ONLY HARMFUL IF YOURE OLD AND ILL U IDIOT

Moses
04-06-2020, 14:39
People are still sitting at home on furlough, absolutely clueless to the economic time bomb that is yet to even begin to show. Yes we’re getting little rumblings and a few redundancies, but when furlough stops, many people all over the Uk from many industries and sectors are going to be absolutely FUCKED

I mean I’m only getting 3-4 days a week at min as a self employed hgv driver, and I’m lucky as some of the lads I know doing this are getting 1 day a week if they’re lucky

Even Boris is warning is that the shit is going to hit the fan in a big way

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-will-lead-to-many-job-losses-a4459126.html

They'll start the process of binning people off before the furlough scheme ends because of how the employers are gonna have to start contributing from August onwards looolll (and because the redundancy process takes a while obvs).

Moses
04-06-2020, 14:43
Can imagine employers will try and cut people as much as possible in case demand doesn't ramp up again. Too risky to keep a full wage bill. Obvs if everything does recover they'll reemploy people or get different people in... which'll be easy enough as there will be SO MANY people desperate for jobs.

Malcolm Tucker
04-06-2020, 14:47
You’re a thick cunt.

The virus is bullshit and harmless to the workforce

ITS ONLY HARMFUL IF YOURE OLD AND ILL U IDIOT

People still go off sick from work for non-lethal illnesses. Even if under 65s only had flu like symptoms they don't need medical attention for, they'll still be off work from it obviously. Even people who WFM are usually fit for nothing for a week. It's not true anyway, loads of ~40 year olds have had it knock them on their arse, with some needing ICU. PM himself is only 55 and he was in hospital. He isn't a paragon of vitality I know but he's not exactly exceptionally unhealthy either. I mean, how fit are you compared to him? :chin:

Also, the 'workforce' don't exist in isolation, they live and mix with the population as a whole including the ill and old. All of this has been covered, if the virus was mild enough to let it go through the population unchecked with no serious issues we'd:

A. Not even be aware of it, as it would have travelled the globe and blended in with the common cold or hayfever. You'd only know it was even one of the ones ciruclating if you followed research papers about coronaviruses.
2. NHS would be aware but have a laid back approach and campaign geared toward the very vulnerable only, and a very minor spike in deaths of those already likely to die <6 months would occur.

Malcolm Tucker
04-06-2020, 14:55
Can imagine employers will try and cut people as much as possible in case demand doesn't ramp up again. Too risky to keep a full wage bill. Obvs if everything does recover they'll reemploy people or get different people in... which'll be easy enough as there will be SO MANY people desperate for jobs.

Depends on the job and company but IME it's more of a pain in the arse to rehire than to just try to keep someone on. You can rehire the same people back, if you're quick enough but any loyalty they may have had will be gone.

Moses
04-06-2020, 17:54
Depends on the job and company but IME it's more of a pain in the arse to rehire than to just try to keep someone on. You can rehire the same people back, if you're quick enough but any loyalty they may have had will be gone.

True, it'll vary massively. Employers won't want to lose important technical and professional skills, but say in hospitality and leisure lots of people will be screwed.

Then in some places they might have to bin off a load of technical/skilled people... depends how long they can absorb that cost. If demand only goes back to 80% of pre crisis there's obvs only so long they can suck up the 100% employment costs on 80% revenue... will be weighed up against the costs of making them redundant.

Frank Castle
04-06-2020, 18:04
Hospitals are empty, covid is given as cause of death if merely suspected

ITS BULLSHIT

Malcolm Tucker
04-06-2020, 18:49
Hospitals are empty, covid is given as cause of death if merely suspected

ITS BULLSHIT

That isn't true. Cause of death from COVID-19 can be easily misled because it's not the type of disease that a has a singular cause of death. You can have 10 people all technically die with COVID-19 on the same ward but different things killed them, could be pneumonia, heart failure, renal failure etc. However they are all there because of COVID-19 and the virus is responsible for bringing on those complications, they weren't already in for organ failure. :hehe:

You get people who are very ill from underlying illness, perhaps even terminal ones, and COVID finishes them off, but that's still a valid cause of death. They might have survived COVID and later died of the cancer or whatever, but they didn't, they died of covid. Coroners aren't retarded, they take the patient's chronic and acute conditions into consideration and evaluate what killed them, it's usually the thing if you removed from the equation they'd be alive. If someone is run over by a bus and they happened to also have coronavirus or something, they don't chalk that up as a coronavirus fatality.

My Mum works in a mortuary and has had this exact conversation with Doctors and the whole situation with bodies arriving who have tested positive with coronavirus. They're not all put up as the cause of death. :no:

Malcolm Tucker
04-06-2020, 18:56
actually why am I even bothering :lmao:

Frank Castle
05-06-2020, 13:29
My ex sister in law works in ICU

SHE SAYS ITS A LOAD OF CRAP

ChemicalKicks
06-06-2020, 11:51
If she's scrubbing the floors I wouldn't take her opinion as gospel. Not that there's anything wrong with being a cleaner I just wouldn't take her medical advice ��

Frank Castle
06-06-2020, 12:37
She’s a band 7 staff nurse

ChemicalKicks
06-06-2020, 12:57
fAkE nEwS!!!!111

But seriously, isn't it a good thing that her hospital isn't overwhelmed? Also is a nurse qualified to understand the effects of a country wide policy on the spread of the virus and the impact it had on the general population?

ChemicalKicks
06-06-2020, 12:58
Also, I'm loving working from home, couldn't of happened at a better time for me ��

Moses
06-06-2020, 15:08
My ex sister in law works in ICU

SHE SAYS ITS A LOAD OF CRAP

My sister in law actually works in ICU and you're wrong :loool:.

Frank Castle
06-06-2020, 15:32
K m8

ChemicalKicks
06-06-2020, 17:33
I have daddy issues and it hurts when I pee

dimle
07-06-2020, 17:51
My ex sister in law works in ICU

SHE SAYS ITS A LOAD OF CRAP

Lol

My job must be a complete lie dealing with Inquests, Bereavement and Negligence.
I can look directly on the ICU PODS and tell you exactly who is in what bed with what problem but they must be all making it up :)

ChemicalKicks
07-06-2020, 17:55
Mate his ex SIL is a band 7 nurse

Unrelated but I am a plumber

Frank Castle
08-06-2020, 00:51
Lol

My job must be a complete lie dealing with Inquests, Bereavement and Negligence.
I can look directly on the ICU PODS and tell you exactly who is in what bed with what problem but they must be all making it up :)

BREAKING NEWS: PEOPLE IN HOSPITALS ARE DYING OF A VIRUS

natalie
09-06-2020, 21:24
Hospitals are empty, covid is given as cause of death if merely suspected

ITS BULLSHIT

No it’s not. My grandad was suspected of having covid, he died before the swan came back and it wasn’t put down as covid.

Oswald
09-06-2020, 21:27
this is one massive hoax

funny how the only country shooting protesters for black lives matter is ghana and african countries, FUNNY THAT

ChemicalKicks
09-06-2020, 22:57
Wut

Frank Castle
11-06-2020, 14:09
No it’s not. My grandad was suspected of having covid, he died before the swan came back and it wasn’t put down as covid.

What did he die of ?

Moses
14-06-2020, 15:55
I like how they tell us to SHOP WITH CONFIDENCE when a) they're still unwilling to relax the 2m distancing guidance and b) they're saying this'll probs come back with a second peak this winter which'll hammer the economy/jobs/etc.

Malcolm Tucker
14-06-2020, 18:37
Yeah, I'm convinced they're willing to risk some local spikes in order to get some level of commercial normality back for the summer. It will almost feel like it's gone soon. They're clearly about to reduce the 2m rule down to 1m, which is the death knell for social distancing. People are already treating 2m as though it's about 2-3ft; tell them they can halve what they do now and it'll evaporate completely.

It's all about getting enough economic activity to tide over some businesses, especially hospitality, until the next lockdown in the autumn (or whenever the weather turns and people are inevitably crammed indoors) - with a false sense of safety because there will have been low numbers of cases and deaths for a while.

I read somewhere that they're pinning all their hopes on a vaccination by October so people splurge at christmas and everything goes back to normal but I don't see it. Oxford Uni seem optimistic about it working, but distributing tens of millions of doses in a matter of months is another story. We've struggled for months to do vast numbers of mere swab tests, never mind perform an injection. They estimate it'd be a year until everyone is vaccinated.

Moses
15-06-2020, 10:04
It's dangerous allowing local spikes though, given track and trace just isn't working yet (regardless of what the Government says in its mon-fri propaganda sessions). Like the WHO said yesterday... we need track and trace before unlocking any further.

Malcolm Tucker
15-06-2020, 10:55
*increases volume of Rule Britannia*

Frank Castle
15-06-2020, 10:55
:rofl: :loool: you thick brainwashed bbc watching retards. You actually believe this shit don’t you

Malcolm Tucker
15-06-2020, 11:00
https://i.imgflip.com/456enh.jpg

Moses
15-06-2020, 11:13
:rofl: :loool: you thick brainwashed bbc watching retards. You actually believe this shit don’t you

I'm just playing along so they panic and slash VAT... making my attic conversion far cheaper :thumbs:.

Stagflation
15-06-2020, 11:46
Yeah what we need is governments tracking our every movement, a cashless society and mandatory vaccinations. Get fucked.

The Tory Government is a shambles and yet people are acting like they want MORE government running their lives, fucking idiots.

Lockdown probably should have happened earlier, as should quarantining arrivals. It's all a bit late unless the doom mongers really are right and winter will bring a second wave. Meanwhile it's summer, virus is fucked.

Who gives a fuck about WHO? :loool:

Moses
15-06-2020, 12:04
Loooolll, we need contract tracing to nip pockets of infections in the bud :shrug:.

Stagflation
15-06-2020, 15:15
So some fat cunt gets Covid, they show symptoms after 2 weeks and the idea is the Government can then look at their phones and retrace their steps the last two weeks to test everyone they've interacted with? It's farcical.

Moses
15-06-2020, 15:23
So some fat cunt gets Covid, they show symptoms after 2 weeks and the idea is the Government can then look at their phones and retrace their steps the last two weeks to test everyone they've interacted with? It's farcical.

Don't think they're infectious for all of that two weeks. Then it's people they've been in close contact with for x time so there's a decent chance they've infected them. And they don't need to get everyone for it to help.

Malcolm Tucker
15-06-2020, 15:42
So some fat cunt gets Covid, they show symptoms after 2 weeks and the idea is the Government can then look at their phones and retrace their steps the last two weeks to test everyone they've interacted with? It's farcical.

The tracer stuff is rubbish without some sort of app, because currently this is the sequence of events:

1. You get the bus into town, you do some groceries in Asda and get the bus home. (This is possibly how you become infected)
2. You come home, stay in for a few days.
3. Fence blows down so you go to B&Q and buy some stuff to fix it.
4. A few days later you get symptoms.
5. You call the number and get a test, few days later it comes back positive.
6. They call you up and ask for the people you've been near to recently of whom you have contact info for.

It's bollocks because the people you are usually in proximity with, spouse, kids etc will already know you have it because you'll have told them by then you have symptoms, had a positive test etc. You'll have also already told friends and family even if you've not been near them for months. Barely anyone will get a useful call about it.

The people who need to know, because they're actually oblivious, will be the people you stood close to in B&Q. But you obviously have no clue who they are and it's impossible to warn them. Just like whoever infected you on the bus oin Asda went on to test positive before you but never ended up handing over your info because they don't know you from adam, so you went into B&Q unknowingly breathing around the virus. If you'd have got a heads up you'd have stayed in.

The app would work by 'handshaking' those people in B&Q (if they have it on their phones too) and when/if you test positive you update the app (or NHS do it remotely, I dunno) to say you're positive. This then pushes the alert to those B&Q people to isolate because there's a chance they have it and don't realise yet. The idea is they then stay indoors and infect less than they would have done without the warning, or best case scenario you nip that vector in the bud and they go on to infect nobody outside their household. It's not going to be perfect and relies on the timeline of infection working out well and people not getting the call to isolate too late (i.e when they're already isolating in bed coughing and sneezing) but it's better than doing literally nothing.

Privacy wise there's ways of making it anonymous, you're just a code and bluetooth proximity detects other codes and makes a log of them. If your code turns positive it captures a date range of codes and alerts them, that's it. On the app itself you could call yourself Mickey Mouse and you live at 123 Teapot lane for all it matters because the alert doesn't need your physical address or real name to alert you.

If you're worried about the app monitoring you via GPS, it probably does because it helps them see what areas are being fucked by covid and if a local outbreak is underway, but even if it does there's loads of apps on your phone that already do that which you've probably had installed for ages. Once you feel the app has overrun it's usefulness, you just delete it.

ChemicalKicks
15-06-2020, 21:04
I'm not reading that

Frank Castle
16-06-2020, 21:13
What he said

Frank Castle
16-06-2020, 21:14
Covtards

Get tae fuck you spastic cunts, you’re the most suggestible morons I’ve seen yet

Malcolm Tucker
16-06-2020, 23:24
reading's hard

ChemicalKicks
16-06-2020, 23:46
It's a fucking wall of text but I suppose at least you have paragraphs you knob.

If I wanted to read that much I'd be on Wikipedia

Malcolm Tucker
17-06-2020, 00:13
books must fucking terrify you :hehe:

ChemicalKicks
17-06-2020, 07:30
PARAGRAPHS

Oswald
18-06-2020, 12:36
It's a fucking wall of text but I suppose at least you have paragraphs you knob.

If I wanted to read that much I'd be on Wikipedia

:lmao:

Oswald
18-06-2020, 12:39
Look at Sweden
Cases increasing and deaths declining, this is a nothing burger

No fucking way am I taking any vaccine

Looking forward to round 2 tho when the chinks release ebola

Malcolm Tucker
18-06-2020, 12:56
Piers Corbyn's twitter timeline is next level, you lot will love it.

Stagflation
18-06-2020, 14:34
He's like David Icke mixed with his brother and Michael Fish, in other words, awesome. :hehe:

Frank Castle
18-06-2020, 14:35
Yeah I’m a fan tbf

Malcolm Tucker
18-06-2020, 14:44
Get that wifi out your house then :thumbs:

natalie
08-07-2020, 11:10
Budget at 12.30 :thumbs:

Malcolm Tucker
08-07-2020, 14:58
actual footage of sunak at dispatch box

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-14-2015/KoEkD3.gif

ChemicalKicks
08-07-2020, 15:00
Anyone got a summary?

Malcolm Tucker
08-07-2020, 15:18
yeah the bbc have

ChemicalKicks
08-07-2020, 16:25
Looks shit

natalie
09-07-2020, 10:54
cut to stamp duty his pretty good.

ChemicalKicks
09-07-2020, 11:00
But what about us poor renters?

Moses
09-07-2020, 14:19
Stamp duty cut is retarded. They argue it'll mean people will buy and then spaff a load of money on renovations etc... but I'd question if people are going to be doing that given how people are hoarding money as they know the mass job losses are coming.

CHANGE MY MIND.

natalie
09-07-2020, 15:13
Stamp duty cut is retarded. They argue it'll mean people will buy and then spaff a load of money on renovations etc... but I'd question if people are going to be doing that given how people are hoarding money as they know the mass job losses are coming.

CHANGE MY MIND.

Doesn’t make a difference if your job is secure. We were planning to move this year. We’re still planning to. Just means we save £15k on stamp duty. Win win.

ChemicalKicks
09-07-2020, 15:35
Doesn’t make a difference if your job is secure. We were planning to move this year. We’re still planning to. Just means we save £15k on stamp duty. Win win.

So you gonna spend the 15k on renovations?

Moses
09-07-2020, 16:46
Doesn’t make a difference if your job is secure. We were planning to move this year. We’re still planning to. Just means we save £15k on stamp duty. Win win.

Win win is when both sides do well out of it you fucking retard. Here it’s win lose because the Government is missing out on £15k :picard:.

Malcolm Tucker
09-07-2020, 16:57
£380bn and counting, in less than a year.

Or, more than Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative spending plans in 2019 manifestos combined. :lmao:

If we go back to "LaBouR's pLaNs wuD banKruppEd uS!" after all this I swear to god...

natalie
09-07-2020, 20:13
Win win is when both sides do well out of it you fucking retard. Here it’s win lose because the Government is missing out on £15k :picard:.

If you actually read what I wrote, I Obviously I meant still being able to move and saving money in the process.

:rolleyes:

natalie
09-07-2020, 20:14
So you gonna spend the 15k on renovations?

Probably! Plan is to buy something in a crappy state, renovate and sell and move again before the stamp duty cut finishes in March.

Malcolm Tucker
09-07-2020, 20:21
and does eg get a say in what happens to his house?

ChemicalKicks
09-07-2020, 20:50
and does eg get a say in what happens to his house?
:loool:

I thought he was living in his lorry?

ChemicalKicks
09-07-2020, 20:51
Probably! Plan is to buy something in a crappy state, renovate and sell and move again before the stamp duty cut finishes in March.

Could you be fucked with the hassle though, you actually gonna move into the place or is it purely a money maker?

Moses
09-07-2020, 20:59
If you actually read what I wrote, I Obviously I meant still being able to move and saving money in the process.

:rolleyes:

You were replying in the context of responding to my post about the questionable broader benefits of the scheme you spastic. And even taking what you said in isolation it’s not win/win... it’s just a simple, single win.

ChemicalKicks
09-07-2020, 21:25
Do you pronounce 'lorry' as loreeee or lureeeee?

Malcolm Tucker
09-07-2020, 21:30
You were replying in the context of responding to my post about the questionable broader benefits of the scheme you spastic. And even taking what you said in isolation it’s not win/win... it’s just a simple, single win.

AvwUb35v6JA

Moses
09-07-2020, 21:37
AvwUb35v6JA

:loool:

ChemicalKicks
10-07-2020, 01:11
I'm not watching that, too long!!!

ChemicalKicks
10-07-2020, 01:11
Couldn't you have made a always sunny reference instead???

natalie
10-07-2020, 13:19
You were replying in the context of responding to my post about the questionable broader benefits of the scheme you spastic. And even taking what you said in isolation it’s not win/win... it’s just a simple, single win.

Your life must be so dull to get so invested in being angry at strangers on the internet.

natalie
10-07-2020, 13:21
Could you be fucked with the hassle though, you actually gonna move into the place or is it purely a money maker?

Will live in it while we do the work on it then sell and move. If we didn’t live in it it wouldn’t count as main residence so wouldn’t be eligible for stamp duty savings, and would have to pay capital gains tax on the sale.

natalie
10-07-2020, 13:22
AvwUb35v6JA

:lmao: I’ve been watching the office again from the beginning. So many bits I’d forgotten.

Moses
10-07-2020, 13:31
Will live in it while we do the work on it then sell and move. If we didn’t live in it it wouldn’t count as main residence so wouldn’t be eligible for stamp duty savings, and would have to pay capital gains tax on the sale.

Isn’t that hell with kids? Or has that problem been solved? :nat:

ChemicalKicks
10-07-2020, 13:43
Jesus this place is dark sometimes

Malcolm Tucker
27-07-2020, 16:19
Is it just me who has very little sympathy about tourists in spain who will need to quarantine? It's some kind of outrage apparently, people whining they'll lose pay and have to miss family events etc.

As far as I understand it, that was always the risk. You've gone abroad on a non-essential holiday in the middle of a fucking pandemic, the government warned the rules we currently have on everything are CONDITIONAL and may change at the drop of a hat, and guess what, they did. If they didn't want to take the gamble of missing work or getting stuck in another country etc then do what millions of others did and have your break in the UK you braindead twonks.

ChemicalKicks
27-07-2020, 19:33
Yeah, no sympathy, kinda. I get people want to feel normal, want to have a holiday but yeah.... We're all adults at the end of the day.

Frank Castle
28-07-2020, 20:31
You stupid cunts. The Spain holiday quarantine thing is just another desperate attempt to stimulate the economy by hoping brits holiday here instead of Spain

I don’t think any of you retards have actually grasped how fucked we are yet :rofl:

ChemicalKicks
28-07-2020, 23:10
You stupid cunts. The Spain holiday quarantine thing is just another desperate attempt to stimulate the economy by hoping brits holiday here instead of Spain

I don’t think any of you retards have actually grasped how fucked we are yet :rofl:

There was an economist of Joe Rogan a couple of weeks ago, he was saying we're in the biggest fucking bubble right now and when it pops we're gonna realise that were in a world of shit.

The economy can be fucked and we can be in the middle of a pandemic, they're not mutually exclusive though

Malcolm Tucker
28-07-2020, 23:41
Who was it? Because there's a lot of doomsellers like Max Keiser and other 'economists' have been predicting the COLLAPSE every year since about 2005. I remember when the SPS kicked off in 2009 or thereabouts and we were on the brink of financial collapse (the 2007 crash was just the beginning etc) then it was 2010, then 2012, then 2014 and so on. It was always "imminent" and preppers etc buy into it because they revel in that sort of shit.

You can't talk them around because the threshold of proof is impossible, every year that goes by where nothing happens they just push it back a bit more and exclaim 'it's coming, can't say when, but it's coming...' - they'll feel this recession will have vindicated them but a pandemic was always going to fuck the global economy for a bit even if we had it all well balanced and no debt bubbles etc, they'll soon be back to 'it's still coming, we haven't seen anything yet' I don't think any crisis will ever be big enough because they're selling the fear and they'd prefer it to perpetually on the horizon, they're the ones with websites/channels that sell bomb shelters and emergency generators and ration packs.

Frank Castle
29-07-2020, 07:47
Lol Craig has his fingers crossed and his toes

ChemicalKicks
29-07-2020, 08:58
I think it was Peter Schiff, you know him? I seen some push back about him on Reddit saying he was a cunt, he was really interesting to listen to. Ultra capitalist if nothing else.

Malcolm Tucker
29-07-2020, 10:11
Lol yes he's a muppet. His latest gem: https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/1283530732984504322

He's deleted another one where he told people in a 'BREAKING NEWS' type discovery like he'd found a loophole in Bitcoin, that it can be taken by others at any time, someone else owns it, whereas gold you can stash wherever you like from the feds blah blah. He was no doubt referring to leaving your bitcoin on an exchange all the time rather than only using them to trade. This does run the risk of losing it because if the exchange is hacked or seized your BTC is vulnerable. However this is well known, and it's completely ignoring cold/paper wallets allowing you to store your bitcoin offline wherever you want, in the same places you could be stashing gold.

So that alone is a red flag for me, he clearly talks bollocks about stuff he's only skim read, barely understands and then professes to be an expert on it to others. If that's his standard of thinking for other stuff as well, then I doubt he's very reliable.