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Old 14-11-2018, 11:40   #5011
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Surely staying in the customs union and single market = jobs first Brexit?
Probably, it depends on what the deal really is, if it's literally a rebranded Norway deal then I can see him, and leagues of Labour MPs being tempted.

On the other hand he's one of the MPs who has said publicly that he thinks May is bluffing about this being the only option on the table and they need to vote against in order to move to the next step of election/referendum.
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Old 14-11-2018, 11:55   #5012
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Old 14-11-2018, 12:12   #5013
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It was always going to be, the saddest part is that our country is so bereft of leadership or balls that no politician stepped out of their 'party first' partisanship to truly challenge it.
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Surely staying in the customs union and single market = jobs first Brexit?
Except Labour want the freedom to sign external trade deals as well, which is an obvious no-no from the EUs POV.
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Old 14-11-2018, 12:39   #5015
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To no-ones surprise, JRM has bottled it.

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he is a snivelling catholic paedophile who is probably at home getting some altar boys to nosh him off, thats why.
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Old 14-11-2018, 13:07   #5016
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corbyn jost owned May about the backstop as she couldn't actually answer yes or no.
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Old 14-11-2018, 13:08   #5017
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Challenge it how though Stag? IThe very spirit of the referendum was fantasist to begin with. Bear in mind the basic premise of what the deal would look like, give or take some compromise:

- Freedom to control immigration.
- Trade to continue largely the same, free trade agreement/access to the single market.
- The UK to cease budgetary contributions and to funnel that saving into domestic priorities.
- Freedom from EU law and the freedom to have new trade deals elsewhere.

I know you can pick holes, but generally, those four planks were what this entire thing has rested on, people voted on them some degree or another. I remember plenty of people saying the above packaged up in some sort of deal was unrealistic, verging on impossible and just misleading people etc. The problem is they were shot down again and again as 'talking britain down' and 'spreading project fear' and the now infamous 'we're sick of listening to experts'

After the result, those still maintaining this line of reasoning were still shot down, but the narrative had moved on to 'remoaning' 'you lost, get over it' etc. Whenever anyone spoke about the practicalities of leaving, about the realistic outcomes, whether they be politician, civil servant, or industry expert, nobody listened. It's been challenged fucking daily, for two years but we won't accept it.

What you're seemingly asking for is perhaps why didn't a Brexiteer stand up and challenge May and get the country to endorse a Brexit based on the realities of leaving without a deal/reverting to WTO then you must surely realise the electorate would ask 'wtf happened? why are we in a fucking recession again?' and punish that Brexit PM and the Tories in general at a future election.
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Old 14-11-2018, 13:33   #5018
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Old 14-11-2018, 13:34   #5019
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No deal. Fuck off

Then we negotiate

Do you want to crawl around on your EU knees, or stand on your British feet you fucking cowards
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Probably a smart move. Vote down the deal, knowing that May wont call a GE - so then we're firmly into peoples vote territory. Hold a vote, remain win, then we can write off the last two years as a bad dream.
Leave will win even more convincingly

Then what will the like of you say
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