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Old 15-05-2018, 11:39   #21
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Old 15-05-2018, 11:44   #22
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allowing people to just own whatever they like, because freedom, is actually mental

at the very least the rule should be you can own something as long as it's not harming others, which guns do, daily, so stick them in the 'public not allowed it' pile along with other obvious things they shouldn't be allowed, like plutonium

it doesn't even work anyway as a virtue of freedom, what does owning one actually do? it's also absolute bollocks it'd prevent a tyrannical government because the same people banging on about how important it is to have, like alex jones, already believe they have a tyrannical government and they do nothing about it, mostly because they're all retards who have type-2 diabetes who will be floored by an an asthma attack, never mind going toe to toe with marines
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Old 15-05-2018, 11:47   #23
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So no fast food, no sugar, no knives, no cars, I mean they harm people daily...
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I said harming others dipshit.
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car harm others everyday, as do knives

What needs to be addressed is the reasoning why people are killing, not removing the tools that protect people from being killed.
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Old 15-05-2018, 12:43   #26
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What needs to be addressed is the reasoning why people are killing
OK well that's pretty easy - Because they've got far too easy access to guns and very little controls on who can buy them.
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Yes, other things can be used to harm others, that includes hammers and even broom handles. What a clever point. Thing is though it's really easy to determine things that cause lots of harm to others with no justification for the owner. Cars are used for transport and statistically speaking are safe things to own. Same for broom handles. Guns are designed to do nothing else but harm others, and do, they're a huge cause of death and injury. Makes sense to stop or at least severely curtail public ownership of them. Other examples are, but not limited to, plutonium, rocket propelled grenade launchers, harrier jumpjets and chlorine trifluoride.

You say there's justification for gun ownership and it always falls into two camps...

1. To keep you safe.
2. Freedom.

Both are heavily disputed as being justification, especially the safety claim, there's mountains of stats that show they don't increase your safety, and actually increase the likelihood of you being killed/injured. It's why proponents of gun ownership, when faced with uncomfortable evidence on 'gun safety' tend to fall back on the freedom argument, saying stuff like they'd rather be at risk but free, than oppressed but safe.

Still failing to see how gun ownership is as liberating for a citizen as people say. I think it's moreso a fetish, people like owning guns because they see them as cool. Same with swords and bows and shit, it's not really about being equipped to storm the white house one day. - it's just an excuse.

If it really was about being a safety net to tyranny, then they'd lock them in a cabinet/basement and hope to never need to use it. Instead through they get them out all the time, to touch them, show them their friends, polish them, take them out to a dirt hump to play around with. They're enthusiasts, not a sleeping army, and it's why they baulk at the idea of Norway's system, whereby dicking around with guns carries severe penalties and they're not seen and marketed like they are in the US, which is more like a toy than a deadly weapon.
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OK well that's pretty easy - Because they've got far too easy access to guns and very little controls on who can buy them.
No, that's availability of weapons, not reasons to use them. Which was my salient point. Will an insane person who wants to kill achieve a higher kill count in a society with restricted access to guns, probably not; but I'd rather look at why they're that insane in the first place primarily before taking away a sane law abiding and trained persons right to have a gun.
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So we've got to figure out the nature of insanity before we can consider introducing any gun controls
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