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Old 05-04-2017, 15:12   #11
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yeah but I get what chuckles is saying, why is he even talking about adolf hitler, is he trying to get headlines away from tories and brexit
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Old 05-04-2017, 15:19   #12
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If Livingstone is willing to undermine the party hes been a member of all his life because he wants to argue about Hitler then perhaps he should resign?

His association doesnt appear to be doing either side much good.
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Old 05-04-2017, 15:26   #13
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He may even be right, I don't really know about the history enough. It's all totally irrelevant though - It's got nothing to do with current politics and dragging this all through the press again is going to do nothing but cost them another few points in the polls.
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yeah but I get what chuckles is saying, why is he even talking about adolf hitler, is he trying to get headlines away from tories and brexit
Originally, he was defending Labour MP Naz Shah against another 'anti-semite' witch hunt.

At worst, his comments were politically unwise, because when you utter certain 'trigger words' like Hitler, certain people spack out. So yes, it's better from a political point of view, to avoid it like the plague.

Because then the Zionist media will twist his words and misrepresent them, such as this:

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He claimed that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler was a Zionist
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/322199...-nazi-zionist/

Livingstone never said that, but that lie has been repeated so often now, that it has become the perception. And perception often eclipses the reality and the truth.
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Old 05-04-2017, 15:33   #15
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FWIW I agree with this, but how come all this scrutiny of journalistic standards goes flying out the window when it comes to muslims, immigrants etc?
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Old 05-04-2017, 15:42   #16
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Ex-Labour leader Ed Miliband tweeted: "Equivocation about anti-Semitism or rewriting Nazi history can have no place in Labour.

"I am appalled that even now Ken shows no real remorse."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/326255...-re-open-case/

And yet, Livingstone is not the one rewriting history. He is giving an accurate and truthful account of history. It appears to be a history that some wish to forget and deny!

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FWIW I agree with this, but how come all this scrutiny of journalistic standards goes flying out the window when it comes to muslims, immigrants etc?
I take your point. I know that the press is dishonest and manipulates us into hating and demonising certain people or groups.

Basically it's straight out of 1984:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate

Immigrants, muslims, Assad, Putin, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, and today... Ken Livingstone. There is always someone or something to hate, and the system will helpfully tell us exactly who that is.
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And Jews. You forgot Jews.
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The new president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews has demanded the expulsion of Ken Livingstone and Jackie Walker from the Labour party by the end of July.

In her first broadcast interview since being elected to the role on Sunday, Marie van der Zyl pledged that under her leadership the Board of Deputies would continue to press Jeremy Corbyn to take more action against antisemitism in the party.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Van der Zyl said she expected Labour to throw out Livingstone, the former London mayor who is suspended from the party after comments he made about Adolf Hitler’s support for Zionism; and Walker, a former vice chair of Momentum who is suspended over critical comments she made about Holocaust memorial day.

Van der Zyl said: “Enough is enough and we now need to see actions and not words … which include a swift action in relation to the outstanding disciplinary cases … There’s Ken Livingstone and there’s also the case of Jackie Walker. We are expecting and hoping that that will be resolved by the end of July.”
Labour must expel Livingstone and Walker over antisemitism, says Jewish leader | Politics | The Guardian

The arrogance...
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