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Old 14-04-2016, 13:52   #11
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There is a serious point here, because it illustrates how mental disorders are (yes, HAHA) arbitrary.

I mean, if we looked at it objectively, those people are sharing in a mass delusion, and live their lives engaging in cult like behaviour.

Or like a man who puts on a dress and BELIEVES himself to be a woman; rather than call this person delusional, and say he is suffering a mental disorder, we are told he actually IS a woman now, and society must share in this delusion. Or we're transphobic (another bullshit label some self appointed expert coined).
No, and that why those who dismiss terrorists as mentally ill have little understanding of what they're talking about. Genuine psychopathic delusion is never sociable, hence you don't get groups of Psychopaths colluding to overthrow the government to aid fish-emperor Ming-pong in its place.

Also, another criteria for mental illnesses is that they are harmful to the sufferer whereas the shit in the OP is just harmful to us.
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Old 14-04-2016, 13:54   #12
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But bear in mind, any of us have not personally verified 75% of what we'd insist is true
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Old 14-04-2016, 13:57   #13
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TBH the whole gender/sex thing does seem a bit of a mess. However I've never heard or been told that a man in a frock who literally believes he is a woman through that action alone, must be then treated by one by society. I think you've made that up, or at least exaggerated it based on what probably happens when a person goes much further than cross dressing, and legally changes their gender, has sex change operations, hormone therapy etc and then wishes to be designated a woman from that point on.
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TBH the whole gender/sex thing does seem a bit of a mess. However I've never heard or been told that a man in a frock who literally believes he is a woman through that action alone, must be then treated by one by society. I think you've made that up, or at least exaggerated it based on what probably happens when a person goes much further than cross dressing, and legally changes their gender, has sex change operations, hormone therapy etc and then wishes to be designated a woman from that point on.
I think it's because I read 'manopshere' type websites that you sometimes get these type of stories. And there is some crazy shit happening, like legislating to let people use whatever gender designated public toilets that they 'feel' they most identify with.
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TBH the whole gender/sex thing does seem a bit of a mess. However I've never heard or been told that a man in a frock who literally believes he is a woman through that action alone, must be then treated by one by society. I think you've made that up, or at least exaggerated it based on what probably happens when a person goes much further than cross dressing, and legally changes their gender, has sex change operations, hormone therapy etc and then wishes to be designated a woman from that point on.
What about when transgendered get to pick the bathroom they wish to use?
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What about when transgendered get to pick the bathroom they wish to use?
If you had to push me on agreeing or disagreeing with it then I'd have to say I disagree, but it's not a huge issue if I'm honest. Very unlikely to ever encounter that situation and be all that traumatised by it so hard to summon up much indignation about it.

What's the insinuation anyway? A woman might be viewing men sexually in there, taking a peek at blokes? Probably more likely to have been a 'victim' of that when a gay bloke is in there, taking a suspiciously long time to piss.
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If you had to push me on agreeing or disagreeing with it then I'd have to say I disagree, but it's not a huge issue if I'm honest. Very unlikely to ever encounter that situation and be all that traumatised by it so hard to summon up much indignation about it.

What's the insinuation anyway? A woman might be viewing men sexually in there, taking a peek at blokes? Probably more likely to have been a 'victim' of that when a gay bloke is in there, taking a suspiciously long time to piss.
It's not an issue for me but it does demonstrate a move from a medical model (somethings wrong, we need to decide how to fix it) to a social model of mental illness (society is wrong if this person is having problems)
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It's not an issue for me but it does demonstrate a move from a medical model (somethings wrong, we need to decide how to fix it) to a social model of mental illness (society is wrong if this person is having problems)
It's the same cart before the horse type thinking we use for 'climate change'.

Rather than 'sea levels rising, better build flood defences/stop building houses on flood plains/work towards a sustainable economy rather than one based on infinite growth in a finite world' we try to 'fix' what is an inherently flawed way of life in the first place.
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