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Old 18-10-2017, 11:10   #11
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I better put on record that I don't support this party, lest I forever be accused of doing so.
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Old 18-10-2017, 11:15   #12
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Oh right. So it's basically just another BNP then, led by paranoia.
I don't think it's just another BNP, I've not seen anything racist in their ideas.

With regard to paranoia though it is certainly tapping into concern over the EU, Islam and Common Purpose.
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Old 18-10-2017, 11:15   #13
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Indeed. Wouldn't want to hold opinions we could be held to, right?
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Old 18-10-2017, 11:19   #14
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I don't think it's just another BNP, I've not seen anything racist in their ideas.

With regard to paranoia though it is certainly tapping into concern over the EU, Islam and Common Purpose.
To Chuckles, being concerned that anything is wrong with anything is paranoia.

(Unless it's the things the system has told him to be paranoid about, like Brexit.)
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Old 18-10-2017, 11:23   #15
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It's in manifesto on the website.
Fair enough, it'll be interesting to see what exactly they mean by that.
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Old 18-10-2017, 11:26   #16
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I don't think it's just another BNP, I've not seen anything racist in their ideas.
But the BNP didn't have anything 'racist' in their ideas either by the strictest of definitions. They never said stuff like 'We'd deport all niggers ' - but they'd phrase the thin end of their wedge in a more palatable way, similar language is rife in this manifesto she's written as well. Deportation of people found guilty of engaging in Islam criminal acts.

Well, bearing her view on Islam, I think the critical question there is what this party would define as a 'Islam criminal act' - this could almost mean anything they want it to mean, which is probably the whole idea.

I mean, we've gone down this road so many times haven't we? How insidious views can wear a more reasonable guise in official documents, but you've not lost your ability to see subtext have you? Reading between the lines? Dog whistle politics? They're never going to be overtly racist in manifestos, but they won't need to be if people like you read it and go 'Well, I see nothing written down here about gassing jews and hanging wogs from trees so how can they be fascists?'
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Old 18-10-2017, 11:38   #17
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No doubt another fake kosher nationalist 'anti-extremist Islam' (but Islam itself is great and diversity is our strength) party
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But the BNP didn't have anything 'racist' in their ideas either by the strictest of definitions.
Yes they did. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...rules-outlawed

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They never said stuff like 'We'd deport all niggers ' - but they'd phrase the thin end of their wedge in a more palatable way, similar language is rife in this manifesto she's written as well. Deportation of people found guilty of engaging in Islam criminal acts.

I think the critical question there is what this party would define as a 'Islam criminal act'
A criminal act is a criminal act, we've had laws against female genital mutilation for a long time yet no convictions. In that sense even applying the current laws would be revolutionary.

There is a difference between a Muslim breaking the law and an Islamist inspired crime, the first is simply a criminal but I think there is a question over what we do with the 2nd.

If people are identifying as Islamists and commit terrorism offences, would you have a problem with eventually deporting them? Obviously for 2nd and 3rd generations etc this gets tricky, but quite frankly if these people have no respect for the freedoms of our nation they should cede any right of citizenship. What to do with them after that though, send them on a boat to Syria?

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I mean, we've gone down this road so many times haven't we? How insidious views can wear a more reasonable guise in official documents, but you've not lost your ability to see subtext have you? Reading between the lines? Dog whistle politics? They're never going to be overtly racist in manifestos, but they won't need to be if people like you read it and go 'Well, I see nothing written down here about gassing jews and hanging wogs from trees so how can they be fascists?'
What are their insidious views? Any more insidious than the example of Muhammad in Qu'ran? Perhaps there is a slippery slope towards camps for Muslims, but quite frankly if they have integrated to British values then there would be no problem.
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Are those the British values that no-one seems able to define?
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