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Old 30-01-2017, 22:26   #21
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What lie?
Oh so you are going to pretend that you didn't know this thread was fake news?

Add another lie then.

Might have to put you back on ignore, along with penis
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Old 30-01-2017, 22:28   #22
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You understand the list of countries doesn't include the highest Muslim populations as its not directly a ban on Muslims.

You also understand the list if terrorism countries Trump has restricted was drafted by the Obama administration.

But hey the left hate Trump we get it.
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Old 30-01-2017, 22:31   #23
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You understand the list of countries doesn't include the highest Muslim populations as its not directly a ban on Muslims.

You also understand the list if terrorism countries Trump has restricted was drafted by the Obama administration.

But hey the left hate Trump we get it.
The 'left' hate Trump because the media gets them excited

You love Trump because the media gets you excited

The reality... there's nothing to see here. Trump has done fuck all of any consequence. All the fake drama and hysteria is just a game.
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Old 30-01-2017, 22:36   #24
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'the left'

just a blanket word these days for someone 'who isn't a trump/brexit supporter'

it's not about left vs right when its about border controls if anything it's liberalism vs authoritarianism which transcends left and right
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Old 30-01-2017, 22:39   #25
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That's why I put it in quotes. It's meaningless.
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I agree, I was replying to Northerner but yours sneaked in first.
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White man attacks someone while shouting inflammatory language - not terrorism

Muslim attacks someone will shouting inflammatory language - terrorism.
It needs to have a political aim to be terrorism.

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the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
No political aims, not a terrorist. It's clearly a hate crime.

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Well Visage's point is that when a Muslim goes mental and stabs some Christians/Jews it's instantly chalked up as terrorism even if there's no political ambition surrounding it. Brietbart/Daily Mail etc are the worst culprits for it and change the definition to suit the narrative.
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Well Visage's point is that when a Muslim goes mental and stabs some Christians/Jews it's instantly chalked up as terrorism even if there's no political ambition surrounding it. Brietbart/Daily Mail etc are the worst culprits for it and change the definition to suit the narrative.
It has to be viewed case by case obviously, but you can't deny the vast majority of violent acts by muslims are committed by extremists for the purpose of fulfilling a political and ideological change to countries they declare the domain of the infidel as directly or indirectly a part of a political and religious organisation (ISIS etc).

Where as if your typical racist sperg has gone ape shit on the subway as an actually isolated incident that is a hate crime by definition. If said sperg was part of say a neo-nazi group and was radicalised and incited to do violence for political reasons by all means then I to agree that would be an act of terrorism.
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The only way that would hold true is if we believe that Muslims are immune to mental health issues and generally aren't violent unless they're been radicalised by a terrorist group. Sounds implausible. Instead there's an immediate response that if an incident has occurred, and the perpetrator is Muslim then it could/or probably is terrorism. That's what people think, that's the reality. Their religion is put at the forefront of the crime, and our hypersensitivity to Islam means people instantly conclude it's a terrorist attack. However it's completely possible for a Muslim to be involved in violence and it not have a thing to do with ISIS. This distinction is not entertained by the media, and it's entertained less and less by a public that is allowing a normalisation of "Muslim being violent = terrorist"

There's horrible crimes committed all the time, today in the Mail there's a man who pulls out a gun at a wedding and starts shooting people. You can bet your arse if he was a Muslim then there'd be a suggestion from the Mail that his religion was in some way to blame, and not merely an incidental aspect of his life. Millions of Muslims around the world are involved in violence, just like non-Muslims are, and not because of their faith/lack of faith. So this notion of 'the majority of violence committed by Muslims is terrorism' sounds a bit spurious.

Have you not noticed that when it's not an Asian dude, and not clearly identifiable as a Muslim, the desperation to confirm and speculate the role of the person's religion is simply not present. Loads of crimes happen in Britain by non-Muslims but there's no narrative in the continually mentioning they were raised a Christian, or a Hindu, or have no faith. We'd dismiss it as irrelevant. "He has no religion, was this why he had no qualms beating his wife?!" - we'd rightly say the link is bollocks and just trying to smear atheists. With our hypersensitivity to Islam though their Islamic faith is ALWAYS mentioned and people don't bat an eyelid, even when nothing transpires for it having anything to do with their beliefs. They were angry, mentally ill etc. The damage is already done. They were already labelled a 'terrorist suspect' in the meantime.
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