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Old 22-03-2016, 18:53   #1
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The charade of the left-right political spectrum is being fully revealed as American and European “conservative” politicians and media pundits continue to be outed as sellouts who serve liberal interests above conservative interests. In the political arena, left versus right is an artificial theater constructed to trick the public that opposing forces are battling it out or compromising for the good of the nation. In reality, both sides are controlled by the same group of elites.

If you voted for a Democrat slate, thinking the Democrats were looking out for you, or if you voted a Republican slate, thinking that Republicans were looking out for you, you were tricked. You voted for the same puppet masters who stand behind both parties and ensure that their globalist and collectivist vision of the world is achieved. Their aims are to maximize their power and wealth while satisfying whatever sinister agenda they may have in the name of “world order,” which includes depopulation.

Even though my views have become more traditionally conservative over the years, I never saw Republicans as the party that represented them. How could I when they support homosexual marriage, feminism, and even open-borders immigration? On the big issues—the ones that determine the fate of a country—the Democrats and Republicans match almost exactly. This is because they are sponsored by corporations and billionaires with similar agendas and cravings for globalization, hedging their bets between the sponsored candidate in blue or the sponsored candidate in red. Every US Presidential election has had sponsored candidates on both sides, meaning that to those with real power, it barely matters who wins.

Establishment candidates believe in the globalist platform:

Open-borders
Consumerism
Feminism and matriarchy
Multiculturalism, diversity, and egalitarianism
Paganism or atheism
Global solutions for local problems
Empire building
Centralization
Collectivization
Unarmed populace

All the while, we are not allowed to select a candidate with a nationalist platform:

Closed borders
Protectionism
Patriarchy
Homogeneous population and closed borders
Monotheism
Local solutions for local problems
War as self-defense
Decentralization
Individual rights
Armed populace

It’s very possible to put a conservative and liberal in the room but have them completely agree on multiculturalism, immigration, democracy, and transgenderism, though disagree on more hot-button topics like abortion and gun rights. They can agree at least half of the time because they both share a primarily globalist belief system, even when they may see each other as enemies. On the other hand, if you get a globalist and nationalist in the same room, they will disagree on more than 80% of issues, even including the basics such as the proper system of government.

While mainstream liberals tend to lean globalist, and mainstream conservatives tend to lean nationalist, the dividing line between them is becoming more narrow as nationalist views are prevented from being properly discussed in the public sphere. Soon, it will be impossible to tell liberals and “conservatives” apart. The only true dividing line left is globalism versus nationalism, especially since nationalism has not yet been co-opted by the elite, and is seen by them as the only real threat that could sever their heads.

I’m firmly in the nationalist camp, even though I am a man of mixed race who does not have an ancestral nation he can call home (I’m half Persian and half Armenian). If you’re wondering how the product of the Immigration And Nationality Act of 1965 can become nationalist, I’ll tell you: globalism greatly harms heterosexual native-born men such as myself. Before I even knew what globalism was, I empirically identified all of its tentacles and how they greatly inhibit a man’s masculinity, life purpose, and pursuit of happiness. Therefore I firmly believe that a heterosexual man who is a minority, like myself, will fare better in a nationalist country than in a globalist one, where he will definitely be swept up by degenerate winds that either make him a social justice zombie or get him persecuted for merely behaving as a man.

My nearly three years of living in a mostly nationalist country, Poland, confirmed to me that nationalism is the most natural state for man. I saw firsthand how a country that leans towards globalism becomes a more toxic environment for men and women, encouraging them to effectively destroy themselves for short-term pleasure and material gain. Nationalism, not to be confused with ultra-nationalism, promotes a more meaningful human existence by using morality, virtue, and genetic identity as building blocks for society, and so therefore serves as a more compatible operating system for human beings.

The mainstream media never threatens the ruling agenda


The American media will go off on left versus right controversies all day long, and make a big show of various battles between them, because the open discussion of these issues do not harm globalist platforms. Once you understand that conservative outlets like Fox News and National Review are globalist, not nationalist, you can realize how an entire belief system has been concealed from you. Whenever a nationalist idea is shared in the media, there is a quick and vicious condemnation of it as “far right,” “extreme right,” or “radical right.” Anything that is not labeled these three terms is a safe idea that does not harm globalist concerns.

When I mentioned late last year that the narrative is collapsing, I was referring to the globalist narrative. The only belief system that can fill that vacuum is nationalism, and the question that remains is how fascist the new nationalism will become. Neomasculinity, a model of patriarchy that is compatible with nationalism (if not outright essential for its success), is a vehicle that can serve men of various backgrounds, as long as minority men such as myself understand that they must follow the rules of any homogeneous population they find themselves in. I did that in Poland and can continue to do that in the future, because I know that if you believe in masculinity and the traditional ideas that are compatible with a life of meaning, nationalism is a better outcome for you that the globalist nightmare that many Western men find themselves trapped in today.
http://www.returnofkings.com/82098/y...-a-nationalist

good article, imo. Our so-called democracy is a charade of choosing the blue or the red team, both of whom are on the same side.
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Old 22-03-2016, 19:12   #2
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Globalism vs nationalism is a really fucking important point
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Old 22-03-2016, 19:14   #4
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Globalism vs nationalism is a really fucking important point
I suspect it's a way of looking at politics which most people never consider.

So both the nominally left and right wing 'teams' are firmly part of the globalist / multiculturalism / pro offensive war etc. agenda. Therefore voting for either of them, you get the same thing. Which means we in effect don't have a democracy, although we repeatedly smugly pat ourselves on the back for our 'free, democratic' society.
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I think that it is hard to get a historical perspective, after the great empires based on military organisation alone dissolved we've been left with only about 4 distinct types of governance - nationalist state, ethnic state, religious state and globalist state. The merits of each could be argued but I don't much like the 2nd two and ultimately the only thing that defines my interaction with the state is taxes and I pay taxes to a nation. I don't think of globalist state as anything within the EU but instead any country that allows excessive power to corporation, essentially any neoliberal state.

The most important question is which is fairer to the population? A globalist state seems less likely to go to war whereas a globalist state seems more likely to promote inequality
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The fundamental question, though, isn’t about the economics of nationalism, nor about whether a sense of cultural identity with an ethnic element can ever be accommodated, or will always be zero-sum. It is this: “bad nationalism”, the suspicious and anti-immigrant kind, the “hostile environment” kind, the static kind, the kind that, out of nowhere, thinks sovereignty is the burning issue of the day and that building a wall will solve anything, thrives not because the majority secretly thought this all along, but because there is no countervailing narrative of “good nationalism”.

The nation is defined not by its puffed-up declaration of values, nor by its tacit cultural exclusions, but by what it built together and what it seeks to build.
Are people at the Guardian starting to wake up? For too long their idea of 'nationalism' has been seen as some kind of relic of the past that only dinosaurs and 'racists' held onto. Almost promoting the idea that there was nothing to preserve and that all change was welcome progress did a disservice to the struggle that got us into our fortunate position.

That said if we're going to keep with simply binaries I think there is 'good' globalism and 'bad' globalism. The EU question was pretty much framed as Globalism vs Nationalism and I do think we are making a mistake in withdrawing from the 'good' elements of it; whether the potential leverage of 'good' Nationalism can make up for its loss time can only tell, but perhaps escaping from the 'bad' globalist elements is a cost worth paying.
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No, they're misrepresenting what people like me ever saw nationalism as in the first place. It's an interesting tactic to see this journalist now tacitly acknowledge that they've lied for years about 'the horrors of nationalism'. A lie which has been repeated so often, so widely, that I expect the majority of the public fully accepts it as a truism. But how could it be true, unless one doesn't believe in the concept of a nation or country at all? If you believe in it even slightly, then you must by definition, be a nationalist to some degree.

The only way they've ever been able to demonise nationalism is by pretending it's something it isn't. Like, you want to stop all trade with foreign countries. You want to completely stop all immigration. You hate all foreigners. You want to kill all foreigners. You want to invade foreign countries and take over the world. And so on. A complete distortion of reality. When presented in those terms, no wonder most people think nationalism is bad.
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It's because 'nationalism' often carries inexplicable preferences for one's own country over things of insignificance, and that just looks like racism or xenophobia. Having a civic identity and taking pride in your country is one thing, if it's linked to your own behaviour, i.e you don't litter, you pay your taxes and you ultimately contribute to the society you live in and want it to thrive. That's fine, but nationalism IME has a track record of getting bogged down in things like the changing ethnicity of a country in 100 years time. Which then basically lobs all the previous stuff in the bin and just links national pride or values to race, which is wrong.

I also think it's less important to younger generations for obvious reasons, and they let their individualism be prioritised. They don't feel a particular allegiance to their country, they may have been born and educated here but they still emigrate, pay tax and raise a family in another country. I've seen that referred to as being traitorous behaviour, as though you owe it to your country to live out your life within its borders. Borders are fleeting things that the earth will not remember once we're extinct or the planet dies anyway.
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It's because 'nationalism' often carries inexplicable preferences for one's own country over things of insignificance, and that just looks like racism or xenophobia. Having a civic identity and taking pride in your country is one thing, if it's linked to your own behaviour, i.e you don't litter, you pay your taxes and you ultimately contribute to the society you live in and want it to thrive. That's fine, but nationalism IME has a track record of getting bogged down in things like the changing ethnicity of a country in 100 years time. Which then basically lobs all the previous stuff in the bin and just links national pride or values to race, which is wrong.
I used to be more relaxed on the point of ethnic change, so there were minorities, I didn't care, well the people who are here (and that includes minorities) lives ARE being made worse by having such lax controls over the numbers and cultural compatibility of the immigrants.

6 years ago I wrote "Strict ethnonationalism is backward but people who deny the link of ethnicity to nationality are wilfully ignorant.", well we're now at a point where the belief in ethnonationalism is now increasing. The more people push the idea of Britain being a nation of immigrants where it doesn't matter if the indigenous become a minority will only increase the rate of its influence.

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I also think it's less important to younger generations for obvious reasons, and they let their individualism be prioritised. They don't feel a particular allegiance to their country, they may have been born and educated here but they still emigrate, pay tax and raise a family in another country. I've seen that referred to as being traitorous behaviour, as though you owe it to your country to live out your life within its borders. Borders are fleeting things that the earth will not remember once we're extinct or the planet dies anyway.
I'm certainly more into individualism than collectivism, but if there is any point about collectives it is that they protect the individual. The NHS is arguably our civilization's greatest achievement, well if we simply allow borders to dissolve then it's simply unworkable, the clue is in the name National Health Service.
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