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View Poll Results: Do you think Britain should remain a member of the EU or leave?
Remain 4 22.22%
Leave 9 50.00%
Don't know 1 5.56%
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Old 26-02-2016, 12:45   #21
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How much of the stuff they spend the money on is actually needed?



It does not look like any government budget I have ever seen, it's liberal social engineering and it is not working!
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Old 26-02-2016, 12:48   #22
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Old 26-02-2016, 12:53   #23
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Federal spending USA chart



Looks like the UK budget to me.

Maybe we have the wrong federal model?
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Old 26-02-2016, 14:26   #24
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Not owning myself (ever!), from your lovely Labour MEP:
"According to the European Court of Auditors, around 0.2% of the EU budget may have been subject to fraud. Any amount of possible fraud is unacceptable and needs challenging. But it’s worth noting that the figure of 0.2% is much lower than most national budgets!"

So to me anyway:
- How are these "courts" signing it off when they know a possible fraud has taken place?
- Why is this fraud washed under the carpet by saying it is 'only' 0.2%.
- Why is then the pro-EU MEP trying to justify it?

This is the type of hyperbole the pro-EU dictators get away with, whilst the sheep sleep in their pretty little fields.


Your own link owns you ffs.

The MEP is pointing out that 0.2% of the budget is potentially subject to fraud, but that 0.2% is lower than the amount that national budgets are said to have in fraud. Do you understand this point? The EU's budget is subject to less fraud that its constituent nation budgets. That's a terrible point to get behind, 'We should leave the EU because its accounts actually have less fraud than ours'

0.2% doesn't sound bad anyway, obviously you need to combat any fraud like the MEP admits, but what are people expecting? No fraud, ever? Is that realistic do you think?
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Biggest spending is on cohesion, keep it really abstract so the audit can't fathom the depths of the nonsense.

Having visited Poland many times you see the blue EU stickers on infrastructure and local business premises everywhere, they have received big grants to build stuff like garages etc. Business people that are already rich employ lawyers (Fuck Off Moses!) to fill out the complex forms to apply for the grants making them even richer while ordinary people are on full time wages of 300 per month.

Cohesion? This will satisfy the audit but it's the same old shit but without any real accountability.

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The Wolves Uni partnered with the council to develop a science park, hosting businesses in the technology and creative industries. It had an EU development grant to get going, and it's now privately funded by the business tenants paying for the rent etc. It's successful enough to now be building a prototyping building for firms using 3D printing, precision engineering etc. Hundreds of jobs created, tax paid to the treasury and to the council.

Sounds like a success story to me. I'm not saying the EU is perfect and every project developed works out brilliantly, but then, does every private initiative? Or nationally funded project?

Difficult for me to just write it all off as a soviet union marxist liberal gravy train
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The scale of your scheme sounds right, local councils elected by local people developing infrastructure locally for potential national and international gain, if it succeeds great, if it doesn't then they can be voted out. This applies on a national level too, the way the EU operates is not like this and it does not have a mandate from the people, if its projects are not cost effective or are simply giving money to already rich people I do not see a mechanism to stop this in the current system.

Germany is the driving force for the EU, all of it's policies since 1945 have been laced with liberal guilt for what it did during the war, so Europe is being driven by this Liberal Social Democracy.
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