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Old 03-10-2014, 14:58   #21
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If the electorate were smart they wouldn't be seeking others to fix their problems
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Old 03-10-2014, 18:14   #22
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2010: Labour fucked up the economy. Vote for us and we'll clear the deficit in one parliament.

2014: OK, we didn't come close to doing that, but vote for us again and we'll definitely fix it by 2020.

If you think those are comparable then you're very fucking dim.
What an opposition needed to do IMO, was highlight the flaws in headline announcements. For the first 2-3 years of parliament, all we heard from the Labour camp was 'growth is flat ' referring to flat lining GDP and I knew that would come back to bite them.

Now GDP is rising, which is meaningless to most people, but it's rising anyway, so the precise fucking figure Labour have told voters to fixate over and judge the government by, is now rising steeply and proudly. The context of that rise has been lost.

They needed to just stfu about GDP, and if and when it did rise, judge as to why; because all that has happened is a housing boom, a banking recovery and, well, that's about it and despite all that, there's a perception now within the electorate (going by the polls on the economy) whereby the Tories are seen as economic saviours, and they trust them with the economy far more than any other party.

Some bint on QT yesterday said "everybody who didn't vote conservative or lib dem owe a debt of gratitude to those who did"

I know Labour aren't much better for us, but fuck me what a shambles we're in to believe they've sorted out the economy for the most part, and just need another term to truly get it right.
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Old 03-10-2014, 18:59   #23
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I don't think that Ed has demonstrated the capacity to make an argument that will resonate with voters - his policies are reasonable sound yet have been ineffective.
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Old 03-10-2014, 19:00   #24
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I know Labour aren't much better for us, but fuck me what a shambles we're in to believe they've sorted out the economy for the most part, and just need another term to truly get it right.
I does make me wonder when Cameron or Miliband says "we've done all this, this is great" whether they actually believe it or are bare faced liars. I figured that Gordon Brown believed it because he used to give a little smile every time he scored a point.
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Old 03-10-2014, 19:07   #25
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I don't think that Ed has demonstrated the capacity to make an argument that will resonate with voters - his policies are reasonable sound yet have been ineffective.
How effective can he be with no power?
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Old 03-10-2014, 19:10   #26
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Effective at arguing? Effective at his job, at convincing people?
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Old 08-10-2014, 22:40   #27
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Saw an interesting article on the tory economic plan today (http://www.pieria.co.uk/articles/cam...fiscal_bribery) - essentially to bring the economy into balance by 2018 they'll need to cut 6% of government expenditure (or, considerably less likely, raise taxes acriss the board by 6%).

Half of government expenditure is effectively ringfenced - pensions, the NHS, education. The only reasonable conclusion is that benefits claimants are going to get stiffed, with double digit real term percentage decreases.

And if, as one might expect, these cuts cause further contraction in the economy, the knock on effect could be to continue the cycle of cutting.
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Further contraction? How exactly will 'these cuts' affect the only sectors that are doing well right now?
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Old 08-10-2014, 23:19   #29
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Saw an interesting article on the tory economic plan today (http://www.pieria.co.uk/articles/cam...fiscal_bribery) - essentially to bring the economy into balance by 2018 they'll need to cut 6% of government expenditure (or, considerably less likely, raise taxes acriss the board by 6%).

Half of government expenditure is effectively ringfenced - pensions, the NHS, education. The only reasonable conclusion is that benefits claimants are going to get stiffed, with double digit real term percentage decreases.

And if, as one might expect, these cuts cause further contraction in the economy, the knock on effect could be to continue the cycle of cutting.
Sustained by even more borrowing, the exact same thing they insist on beating Labour over the head with.

"How will they fund XYZ? Back to Labour's plan of borrowing more money? They haven't learned their lesson!" is a typical Tory MP chant, as well as "We're paying down Britain's debts" Said even in a party broadcast, so it's not a slip of the tongue neither.
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"We're paying down Britain's debts" Said even in a party broadcast, so it's not a slip of the tongue neither.
Did they say that, because it isn't true.
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