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Old 21-02-2012, 20:21   #11
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How many people are pissed off? People said that about Libya but it was only the tribes who had always hated Gaddafi and were emboldened due to the NATO support.
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Old 21-02-2012, 20:21   #12
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The latest two part alert from MediaLens has lots of good well referenced analysis on Syria

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http://medialens.org/index.php?optio...2012&Itemid=69
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It's not as simple as 'the people vs the government' - the insurgents are largely sunni and are probably helped in organisation by the mosques. The Muslim Brtherhood are also likely involved, being sunni. Al-Assad has the support of many of the minorities who fear sunni dominance.
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Old 21-02-2012, 20:22   #14
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If the people are rising up enough to actually kill the government, I would say the time has come to consider if that government is even wanted?
Not really. Only takes a few hundred people, armed by the West, to start killing government forces and allow the West to get public support for a regime change. It worked in Libya
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The latest two part alert from MediaLens has lots of good well referenced analysis on Syria

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http://medialens.org/index.php?optio...2012&Itemid=69
Jesus that's pretentious and badly written.

Where is the link to China and Russia's attempt?

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Well, it worked in Libya as far as changing the regime. Although what it's been changed to is a total clusterfuck... but who cares as long as they sign the oil contracts.
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Jesus that's pretentious and badly written.
You read that whole article in about 10 seconds?

And anyway, who cares how badly written it is (which it isn't), it's the content that's important
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Not really. Only takes a few hundred people, armed by the West, to start killing government forces and allow the West to get public support for a regime change. It worked in Libya
It's thousands though, 7000 have already died and the fighting still continues.

I appreciate it's more complicated than just innocent Syrians trying to overthrow their government, but it's also obviously more complicated than the West arming up a few hundred people. They have to be willing, and able, on a large scale to do this for so long. Perhaps the West have perpetuated it, lit the tinder box early but it's clear it was probably inevitable judging by the actual amount of dissent.
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You read that whole article in about 10 seconds?

And anyway, who cares how badly written it is (which it isn't), it's the content that's important
I read the first paragraph and got a sour taste. After reading the rest, the referencing is poor. It highlights events on other news sites but the most controversial conclusions (such as how regime change is the real agenda, and how China and Russia wanted to end all violence) go unreferenced. There's little point to read the article unless I like listening to the assholes who just want to criticise their own side without content.
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It's thousands though, 7000 have already died and the fighting still continues.

I appreciate it's more complicated than just innocent Syrians trying to overthrow their government, but it's also obviously more complicated than the West arming up a few hundred people. They have to be willing, and able, on a large scale to do this for so long. Perhaps the West have perpetuated it, lit the tinder box early but it's clear it was probably inevitable judging by the actual amount of dissent.
Doesn't necessarily mean they're the side we should back though.

Nor does the fact Assad might not be an angel mean we shouldn't back him either. Not if the alternative is worse.
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