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Old 08-05-2018, 12:34   #11
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The NHS is excellent but it's the manifestation of a simple idea that other countries have done as well, you have a central pool of tax money and then dish it back out based on need. There's no reason why a national health service can't extend to other countries and under federalism become a 'continental health service' or even one day a global one. It's not a virtue of nationalism than has made it a success, it's the model.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:39   #12
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The point is that it's a collective that pool their resources within borders, certainly within the EU we can collectively distribute healthcare, which already happens. The problems is the flows of population and the imbalanced strains on the existing infrastructure is causing issues. The problem is also magnified when demand is spiked from immigration from outside those borders.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:59   #13
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Only if the influx of new people don't contribute to the running costs, but contribute heavily to the demand, do immigrants tend to do that?

It is happening with old people moreso, they're technically "new" in the same regard as they weren't supposed to still be alive, but they're using the NHS all the time, their financial contributions to it having ceased decades ago

Ironically as well it's a bit of nationalism that compounds that issue with wilful ignorance because those raping the service tend to justify it as something they're entitled to for being born here, even through they're a drain on it and foreign born people in the system may actually contribute to it way more but get blamed for its issues.
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I don't think low wage migrants contribute much to running costs, no. You're right though, people living longer with unhealthy lifestyles is a massive part of the increased strain on the infrastructure. People shouldn't feel entitled to healthcare, they should realise it is a privilege.
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Has there ever been a nationalistic government whose actions have left the country in a better state than it was before they took power?
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Depends how you define nationalistic, the 'Dirigisme' of post 2nd world war France would be a good example. Most governments do nationalistic things or at least they should, lately they've done more for the interests of corporations; often to their populations detriment.
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the bloc is concerned that Britain under Labour would provide generous subsidies to manufacturers that could give them an unfair advantage in trade with the EU, while there are fears that nationalised utilities firms could out-compete foreign rivals.

Officials are said to be drawing up a so-called “non-regression” clause designed to entrench free-market policies in the UK’s exit deal.
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