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Old 23-11-2017, 11:33   #1
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Sweden recorded the highest number of violent sexual crimes relative to its population with 178 per 100,000 inhabitants, followed by Scotland at 163 per 100,000, Northern Ireland at 156 per 100,000 and England and Wales at 113 per 100,000. Eurostat stressed that the figures reflected the extent to which sex crimes were reported and recorded by the police and did not necessarily reflect the actual number of victims.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...xual-crimes-eu

Note how this info is buried in the article though and different to the misleading click baity headline - more quality Guardian journalism which you can support for only 5 a month

Funny I never heard about Sweden being such a dangerous place when I was growing up. What could have happened in Sweden since then to make this change? It's such a mystery
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Old 23-11-2017, 11:49   #2
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They changed the way they classify the crimes - now what would be classed as sexual harassment here is a violent sexual crime in Sweden.

Also if someone commits that crime once a week for a year, it goes on the statistics as 52 crimes.

I've explained this to you before.

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Read the Statistics section of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
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They changed the way they classify the crimes - now what would be classed as sexual harassment here is a violent sexual crime in Sweden.
I wonder what percentage of 'violent sexual crimes' in Sweden would be categorised differently here? Can a 'verbal assault' be considered violence? Is groping someone violent?

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if someone commits that crime once a week for a year, it goes on the statistics as 52 crimes.
If I murdered someone every week for a year, it should only be recorded as one murder.

Should the Swedes take comfort in the fact that their high level of violent sexual crimes isn't necessarily indicative of a 'rape culture'?
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Old 23-11-2017, 16:02   #6
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Well when similar alarmist headlines were posted about an 'increase in hate crimes in the UK' you guys seemed to expend plenty of energy and time going over the details and weren't satisfied with the conclusion it was down to brexit etc, but rather, like this, a change in the way police were recording statistics.

However because this one has the potential to vindicate the position that refugees would lead to disaster, I sense you're already far more willing to take the headline at face value, or simply ignore the detail penski has pointed out.
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I mean RAPEFUGEES MERKEL IS A TRAYTOE
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Has Sweden got any problems with immigrants, would you say?

Sexual assaults, gangsters, grenade attacks etc. - all part and parcel of living in a country which never actually used to have this degree of problems is it?
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Swedish cops quitting in droves etc.
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IME the issues with europe are overblown by those who want to believe it's worse than it is, for reasons I'm not sure. Validation of existing views? There's sometimes genuine excitement under the surface when people hear of an attack, bordering on gleeful that it's what they predicted it. They lose basic critical thinking, even to the point of checking if the thing they just read on facebook is even real or not.

A few times things have kicked off, the link between the incident and refugees who have arrived from Syria is a little flimsy. I remember there being a big stink about some kind of massive grope and assault fest at a German market last year. 70+ refugees involved etc. I'll admit I thought 'oh ok, right well yeah that's bad' - however it turned out to be a fake story, it was made up.

A similar thing is happening with articles about Sweden:

https://www.snopes.com/crime-sweden-...apital-europe/
https://www.snopes.com/police-sweden...ince-migrants/
https://www.snopes.com/2017/04/05/cr...e-part-series/

That's not to say Sweden has literally no problems and unlimited refugees is a good policy, but it's also important to keep things in context and look at how problems are being spun to involve refugees all the time by doomsayers who are very eager to be proven right. You hate rabid remoaners trying to blame brexit on homegrown unrelated issues right? Well that's exactly what is happening with refugees and terrorism.

In terms of direct experience of hyperbole vs reality, I was recently in Munich, not far from this when it happened: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...k-suspect-run/

Looking at 'our' response from the outside, it was very much a case of 'OMG GERMANY IS FUCKED, ALL DOOMED MUSLIIIIIIMS' but by actually being there, in the city, you wouldn't have known anything was wrong. Nobody gave a shit, honestly. A stabbing is a stabbing, they happen, and yet we've conditioned ourselves now to act like it's the fucking blitz when one happens.

I'm not trying to trivialise proper terrorist attacks like Bataclan or whatever, being near that would be scary, but we need to keep a sense of perspective and stop getting sucked into this hyperbolic view of Europe that it's on the brink of some kind of civil war. I don't mean this in a nasty way at all, but I seriously recommend a city break somewhere in Europe, you can get flights dirt cheap, take your camera, you'll enjoy it and it'll do you the world of good because you'll get a glimpse of how much the good is still outweighing the bad and just how much the bad is being hyped up and fed into your brain by toxic fake news.
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