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Tory 3 3.23%
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Old 26-01-2014, 21:48   #981
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In the 2 years before Dunblane 50% of domestic murders with handguns were done with legally owned guns. It doesn't stop gangster types who will get them illegally, but is must help stop some murders. Would Thomas Hamilton, a bit of a loner, have managed to acquire one on the criminal black market? Pretty doubtful.
The biggest thing is suicide. Remove the instant ease that comes with gun posession and you lower suicide rates.

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Old 26-01-2014, 22:08   #982
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Obviously he's supposed to ditch all his principles, or lie about them, in order to get elected, like all the others do.
No matter what you think about gun laws, this "policy" is completely mistimed.

UKIP have an image problem, they enjoyed positive exposure last year but recently it's going off the rails chiefly because they have complete inconsistency with what they stand for. You've got the deputy leader banging on about their secondary policies in recent years, being quite vocal about corporal punishment in schools to come back and stuff like that for instance, bringing awareness of UKIP policy outside the usual Farage debate of Europe and Migration.

Then Farage bins the entire manifesto and says its complete drivel and nonsense.

So UKIP hit this big reset button to try again with the potential electorate, clarify some policies and what's the first announcement out of the gate? "Bans on handguns are ludicrous"

You know I love Farage, and it's good to be sincere but the last few weeks for UKIP has been one big colossal fuck up. They have played right into the hands of opponents who have been just dying for more evidence that UKIP are a bunch of lunatics.
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Old 26-01-2014, 22:13   #983
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It's as bad as saying "Paedos aren't criminals and should be given support with their compulsion"

Not a policy a right-wing party would ever say, but it's an opinion with measured debate behind it. Paedophiles aren't criminals, unless they do anything to children but simply having an attraction to them isn't a crime and if you support them in safe and legal pursuits then you may be able to tackle child abuse.

Would the general public give you a minute to elaborate on that? Was it worth setting your party on fire just to half-articulate a policy that isn't of any real concern at the moment? And won't be an election issue?

He's spunked a load of political capital they've built up in 2012-2013 on that little rant about guns.
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Old 26-01-2014, 22:23   #984
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I think iCraig has summed that up nicely
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Old 26-01-2014, 22:23   #985
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There's the basics of competence and accountability as well. Even if those policies have all been binned, the are only 3 and a half years old and formed the basis of their manifesto for the last election. He should have known about them and made sure they were removed if no longer correct.
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Old 27-01-2014, 04:07   #986
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In the 2 years before Dunblane 50% of domestic murders with handguns were done with legally owned guns. It doesn't stop gangster types who will get them illegally, but is must help stop some murders. Would Thomas Hamilton, a bit of a loner, have managed to acquire one on the criminal black market? Pretty doubtful.
And how many murders were there? I'll bet less than half the people who ended up in A+E that year with their dick stuck in a vacuum cleaner hose.

The reasoning for banning handguns was WRONG.

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Indeed Major. They should try reporting from a roof while wearing body armour. It always made Rageh Omar look good.
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Good morning indeed, Major. I'm a little discomforted by a trapped nerve hence the early bird. Tramadol and and a cold drink.
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