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Old 23-08-2017, 07:33   #231
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Old 23-08-2017, 08:30   #232
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I didn't say that though did I? We can intellectualise the meaning of the flag all day long, but we're not the ones identifying and protesting with it and associating it WITH white supremacy all the fucking time. How they're treating it as a white supremacy flag is the important bit.
So how many British racists marching with the Union Jack would it take for it to become simply a symbol of white supremacy?

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The way we interpret the flag becomes a bit meaningless.
So is it what they think it means or we think it means, it's a question of the tyranny of perceptions.

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Your argument to ignore the current context and focus on its deeper symbolism is flimsy, because it's not much of a stretch from that to say people marching with the swastika might not be linking it to nazism because there's other meanings behind the symbol.
This is a false equivalence, the German National Socialist flag is not the same as other swastikas.

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I don't think people around today are using it to promote its buddhist origins.
The people marching with Nazi symbols are undeniably idiots, useful idiots...

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So when the confederate flag (often hybridised with other white supremacy iconography) is waved at these kind of events, by people yelling 'JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US' and so on, I don't think they're protesting about secular urban society if I'm honest Stag.
Obviously not, but you're ignoring my point that people can identify with that flag and not be neo-fascists. It wasn't long ago that the flag was flown above certain state buildings. Was everyone waving the flag doing it in the name of 'white supremacy'? Possibly, but more likely it was just in protest of feeling like a victim.

This whole incident is a very interesting case in the modern management of public perceptions, we truly are in the society of the spectacle. The people involved on both sides get to feel like they're being rebels and the media then gets to act as moral arbiter.

Divide and rule, keep order by sublimating rebellious impulses and divert them. This is the point of identity politics, its presence becomes both a lightning rod and safety valve for rebellion and ultimately helps 'sanitise' society.
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Old 23-08-2017, 08:34   #233
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his <Columbus> voyages led to the first lasting European contact with the Americas, inaugurating a period of exploration, conquest, and colonization that lasted several centuries. These voyages thus had an enormous effect on the historical development of the modern Western world. He spearheaded the transatlantic slave trade and has been accused by several historians of initiating the genocide of the Hispaniola natives
Yeah I can see why people think he wasn't a very nice guy
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Old 23-08-2017, 08:35   #234
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But like I say, all "war heroes" of all flavours are basically murdering cunts - why celebrate any of them?
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Old 23-08-2017, 09:51   #235
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Not celebrating them is one thing, tearing down statues because of delicate sensibilities is quite another.
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Old 23-08-2017, 10:34   #236
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Not celebrating them is one thing, tearing down statues because of delicate sensibilities is quite another.
Yeah but if the statue is permanently on show in a public place then "not celebrating" it isn't an option is it, that historical figure is being celebrated permanently by its very existence.

We allowed Saddam and Gaddafi statues to be torn down, cheered along in fact, nobody complained about that
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Old 23-08-2017, 10:49   #237
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Yeah I was gonna say, statues are defacto a celebration of that person. It's made in their image to honour them.

We don't make statues of people with a moral ambiguity to just remember them indifferently, or the statues/memorials of Jimmy Saville would have been left where they were. If it's no longer appropriate for that person to be celebrated, it's kinda hard to leave a bronze likeness of them on public display.
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Old 23-08-2017, 11:01   #238
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I suppose a modern day analogy... would/should the Iraqis be happy about Bush and Blair statues being erected in the middle of Baghdad
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Old 23-08-2017, 11:02   #239
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Yeah but if the statue is permanently on show in a public place then "not celebrating" it isn't an option is it, that historical figure is being celebrated permanently by its very existence.

We allowed Saddam and Gaddafi statues to be torn down, cheered along in fact, nobody complained about that


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