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Old 21-12-2017, 18:51   #1
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New Netflix series, Achilles and Zeus are played by black dudes.

I think it would bother me less if they weren't such 'key' parts and it strikes me as a politically motivated choice. It's been 'right on' to call out films that don't have enough minorities but to choose these actors for these roles is to do a disservice to a foundational myth of Western society and extends to essentially being racial propaganda.

Whether it's tokenism or political correctness should it matter?
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Old 21-12-2017, 19:02   #2
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It's the usual insidious rewriting of history to propagate the myth that multiracialism has always been the norm in European societies, to make us more likely to submit to it in the present.

The same people who would call me racist for pointing this out, would call it cultural appropriation or 'whitewashing' if it were done in reverse and a previously non-white event was cast as all whites.
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Old 21-12-2017, 19:24   #3
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They're both fictional characters. Where does anything say they have to be white?
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Does it matter what race the actor portraying them is?
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Whitewashing is a casting practice in the film industry of the United States in which white actors are cast in historically non-white character roles. The film industry has a history of frequently casting white actors for roles involving people of color, including African Americans, Asians, Hispanics, and any other non-White, non-Hispanic culture, including Native Americans. By downplaying the roles that such figures have had in cultural events, the practice is seen as a form of censorship analogous to the whitewashing of criticism.[1][2]

Activist Guy Aoki said African Americans "have long felt the full brunt of the 'whitewashing' of roles" and that Asians have experienced it as well.[3] Native Americans have also been subjected to this, seeing their historic leaders and warriors portrayed by whites.[4]
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Yeah if a white dude played Mandela or a black dude Shakespeare it’d be jarring as it’s youre asking for an unecessary level of suspension of disbelief that they’re actually not the race they look on screen and the characters for instance see a white Mandela as black.

But with fictional characters like Zeus and Doctor who I don’t really get the whining, it wouldn’t and shouldn’t make any difference to playing a god/alien etc
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Yeah if a white dude played Mandela or a black dude Shakespeare it’d be jarring as it’s youre asking for an unecessary level of suspension of disbelief that they’re actually not the race they look on screen and the characters for instance see a white Mandela as black.
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But with fictional characters like Zeus and Doctor who I don’t really get the whining, it wouldn’t and shouldn’t make any difference to playing a god/alien etc
I liked Morgan Freeman as God in Bruce Almighty and it shouldn't matter if its purely fiction, but mythology is more than fiction and this holds an important place as a cultural relic that underpins Western society. You don't see why it's jarring but to me the idea of ancient Greek heroes being black and worshipping a black God is fucking bizarre.
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Zeus’ ethnicity underpins western society?

If it matters so much I assume you’re as annoyed at Christian God/Jesus being white in virtually all modern depictions. Amazing how it doesn’t matter.
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