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Old 13-09-2018, 09:28   #21
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https://www.france24.com/en/20180912...ongs-europeans

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Speaking at a conference in Sweden's third-largest city of Malmo, home to a large immigrant population, the Dalai Lama -- who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 -- said Europe was "morally responsible" for helping "a refugee really facing danger against their life".

"Receive them, help them, educate them... but ultimately they should develop their own country," said the 83-year-old Tibetan who fled the capital Lhasa in fear of his life after China poured troops into the region to crush an uprising.

"I think Europe belongs to the Europeans," he said, adding they should make clear to refugees that "they ultimately should rebuild their own country".
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Old 13-09-2018, 09:30   #22
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Agreed, but most progressives would. Note he says receive, help and educate them. Not sink their boats.
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Agreed, but most progressives would.
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Old 13-09-2018, 10:38   #24
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'Progressives' are tying themselves in knots saying there's no such thing as indigenous Britons or Europeans or even Western Civilisation...lines like:
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I see no reason, furthermore, why the working man of Doncaster is inherently more representative of ‘British people’ than the working woman of Tower Hamlets, unless we’re making a distinction based on who belongs here the most, which would be… well, not to put too fine a point on it, a bit Enoch Powell.
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In an age of mass migration, the notion of indigenous is going to be harder to pin down. We no longer live in a world where people are born, live, marry, procreate and die within a few square miles.

The idea that you could define indigenous English, for example seems tricky. And that's before you even consider whether there is any point in doing so as anything other than an academic exercise.
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The idea that someone can flee persecution, get the help they need, and use that help to fix the problems from which they fled is a good thing, surely?
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In an age of mass migration, the notion of indigenous is going to be harder to pin down.
It makes it more important but by stating that it's an 'age of mass migration' you're almost suggesting it's simply a given that we have no control over it.

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We no longer live in a world where people are born, live, marry, procreate and die within a few square miles.
That's fine, but we also live in a finite world in states that have finite resources; if mass migration is not managed properly it negatively pressures both the environment and state resources.

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The idea that you could define indigenous English, for example seems tricky. And that's before you even consider whether there is any point in doing so as anything other than an academic exercise.
It's easier to define who isn't indigenous, though 'mixed heritage' persons are a contentious area but really it's about legal migration and tightening the criteria for future migrants.
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It seems like most issues have the word 'state' attached to them... Maybe we should look at that...
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By dissolving them into a supranational union?
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A federalist union.
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