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Old 08-03-2018, 14:35   #1051
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I mean, actually, do you understand the overall point? A guy with a pistol is one thing, but if he's got a suped up weapon, with a scope, extended mags etc, then he's far more likely to kill more people. The Vegas shooter is a perfect example. The range and power of his weapon meant he mowed people down from afar. By time they'd manage to disperse and take cover, he'd done a lot of damage. Limited to just a pistol, or a bolt action rifle and he'd have found it much harder to kill scores of people.

If all weapons were just as deadly in capable hands, the military would just send soldiers out with basic sidearms, no need for expensive rifles/ammo/scope.
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Old 08-03-2018, 14:36   #1052
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So because a rifle is semiautomatic and can have a large magazine it would be deemed a 'military' or 'assault' weapon even though any modern military would scoff at the idea of arming soldiers in such a limited way...
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Old 08-03-2018, 14:40   #1053
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There's a massive difference. I've fired a scorpion, which is a sub-machine gun, legal in the US probably. So easy to fire. Scarily easily to hit a marker.

Fired a colt revolver. Much harder to aim and fire.

It's a gruesome train of thought but if I wanted to kill multiple people, I'd buy the scorpion, no question.
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Old 08-03-2018, 14:49   #1054
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A scorpion is fully automatic and already illegal.
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Old 08-03-2018, 14:54   #1055
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It could only be fired semi-automatic, holding down the trigger would do nothing as it's illegal in Slovakia as well apparently. My point was I was still able to fire off a lot of rounds that hit the marker very quickly.

The revolver on the other hand is harder to aim, recoiled more, and is generally just slower and more clunky. If you get hit by it I'm sure you're fucked, but the point is you stand a greater chance of not being hit at all than if you were up against someone packing a scorpion.
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Your point is what, ban all guns except revolvers?
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Old 08-03-2018, 15:33   #1057
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Ban sub-machine guns, machine-pistols, auto shotguns and stuff like that. Basically anything that lets you fire a lot of bullets in people's faces in a short space of time.

Allow bolt action rifles and pistols, antique weapons. Guns that are inherently difficult in their capacity to kill scores of people with ease.

Ideally they need a policy like in the UK/Japan but that's pie in the sky at the moment, so that's a compromise that still follows the second amendment.

They also need other regulations as well, like waiting periods and limits on the number of guns and ammo you can concurrently hold.
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It's not really any different to our laws on knives. We haven't outright banned people owning knives, but there are restrictions. It's illegal to carry anything but a little folding knife IIRC, and even then that's banned in places innit Chuckles

Under US type laws it'd be like us letting people buy all sorts, little to no restrictions, walk around with fucking machetes and daggers, and contemplating arming teachers with them etc.

In any other context it's clearly bonkers to go down that road, but with guns it bizarrely goes out the window and proponents go through all sorts of pedantry and specious reasoning in order to avoid the basic logic of why banning certain things from public hands is the right thing to do.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eat-truck.html

Clearly we need more armed toddlers, for defense, right?
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A man has been charged with attempted murder after a car was driven into a busy nightclub.

At least 13 people were injured when a Suzuki Vitara was driven into Blake's in Gravesend, Kent, at about 23:50 GMT on Saturday.

Seven people were taken to hospital, three with serious but not life-threatening injuries, Kent Police said.

Mohammed Abdul, 21, of McMillan Street, London, has been charged with attempted murder.
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No Visage/Craig, I think this probably was Mohammed Abdul, but thanks for asking.
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