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Old 20-11-2018, 12:53   #1
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Old 20-11-2018, 12:53   #2
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Old 20-11-2018, 12:55   #3
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It will never get thru parliament now. Dup will vote it down as will lolbour

My guess is a no deal brexit with a new probrexit leader after a vote of no confidence
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You probably won't pay any attention to this, but their document is mostly just slagging off May's deal again for the umpteenth time. Getting a bit boring now.

When you finally get to their own suggestion for Brexit, they've dedicated one whole page. It's a plain English document in fairness, but still pretty sparse. Anyway, surprise surprise it's SUPER DUPER CANADA+++. All this stuff has been debunked as having just as many problems as May's deal. For instance:
  1. A divorce payment is pretty much unavoidable, catch even an ardent brexiter in an honest mood and they admit we'd end up paying something, even with no deal. It's why Davis agreed it rather quickly when he was heading negotiations, the legal advice was it'll most likely be dragged out of us through litigation.
  2. Canada deal was bespoke to Canadian goods, copper, minerals, agricultural machinery etc. A lot of the agreements for exceptions on tariffs, 'the heavy lifting' as the ERG call it, has not been done for us, these were negotiations on stuff that are irrelevant to us.
  3. Canada deal doesn't have anything about backstop or NI border because it's Canada, they're other side of the world with no border with EU. Just like May, they'd still need to come up with a solution to controlling the border under the terms of customs and tariffs for SuperSuperMegaCanada agreement, but also keep it all open for good friday agreement and common travel area. How? "Technology" or slightly more specifically "Blockchain" is all they ever say on this. It's drivel.
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Yeah, but have you considered the counter argument: LEAVE, NOW, THEY'LL COME BEGGING, FREE TOMMY?
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Leave with no deal. Hold the money back, then start negotiating

They will concede more
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Old 20-11-2018, 14:29   #7
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Leave with no deal. Hold the money back, then start negotiating

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So with flights grounded, lorries parked up in Kent and shelves standing empty we'll get a good deal?
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The money isn't predicated on a deal. You're just repeating the 'NOT A PENNY TO THEM' slogan they use to rally the mustard trousers. They all know we won't get to just walk away from everything.

The civil service has consulted international lawyers on our divorce payments. Not to check if we owe anything at all, we obviously do, but rather to categorise what we had to pay, what we could appeal, what we wasn't expected to but we could offer out of goodwill etc. They concluded we owe 20-40bn in legal obligations, things we signed up to prior to leaving and are not annulled when article 50 completes. This includes pensions, contracts etc for Brits who are involved in Horizon2020. Walking away means being tied up in litigation for years as it is dragged out of us in one ruling after another.

Nobody wants that, least of all us because it doesn't look good to our prospective new trade partners; Britain is a skinflint and if doesn't get its own way be prepared for it throw a paddy and have to be dragged kicking and screaming into paying off the bills it ran up.

You keep saying 'THEN NEGOTIATE' as well, like you want us to then sign back up to some kind of deal with them. I thought no deal restores our supremacy of law etc, but you're then keen to get back in the midst of free trade with them and get their good standards, regulations etc right back on our statute book again.
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Old 20-11-2018, 15:36   #10
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