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Old 13-03-2018, 12:08   #51
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How should the UK retaliate against Russia for the spy poisoning.

It is a loaded question which is based on the premise that we've already basically figured out who did it, and that the British state - a regime known to lie all the time - acts in good faith and if they say something, they at least believe it, which we know is false.

Questions are worded in such a way as to push buttons in people's minds.
I understand the way words can work but I just disagree that's the case with that headline because it's firstly prefaced with 'Spy Poisoning' which we know has happened. Then it asks how the UK government is going to retaliate against Russia. Is it linking the two, of course, but this isn't the BBC pushing the agenda, it's reporting the UK government's own words that they're going to retaliate against Russia if they get no decent response. The BBC article explores possibilities of what the government may do, but I think since the speech from May it'd be redundant to try and pretend the government is still exploring all avenues and may end up retaliating against North Korea yet. You can hold the opinion that the government/PM is jumping the gun, but the BBC would be wrong not to take the UK's official position as something to now base its editorials on.

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Like the other day the BBC asked 'Has the public changed its mind on Brexit?' which seems innocent except it implies that THEY HAVE changed their mind, and therefore if you haven't changed yours yet (to oppose Brexit) then you should too, because everyone else is, and if they are then you should obviously be following them.
OK, for the sake of argument then say you're right. Can you rephrase the headline so it's more to your liking in order for me to take a look at the difference?
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Old 13-03-2018, 12:18   #52
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I understand the way words can work but I just disagree that's the case with that headline because it's firstly prefaced with 'Spy Poisoning' which we know has happened.
Actually we don't know that.

The only thing we know for sure is, what we've been told and what we've seen in the news. We've been told people have been poisoned. We've seen pictures of people receiving medical attention. We've seen men in hazard suits.

Is it real? I don't know. Do you? No. Do I think it is real? I don't know.

How implausible would you find it that this could be a charade? Or perhaps that they are ill, but it isn't a 'nerve agent' at all but something more mundane?

Did you read the two quotes of the article I posted a few posts back, and does it not make you think?

Question everything.
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Old 13-03-2018, 12:21   #53
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Yeah ok but then it's pointless discussing anything.
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Old 13-03-2018, 12:22   #54
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Yeah, he might just have the flu.
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Old 13-03-2018, 12:24   #55
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Yeah ok but then it's pointless discussing anything.
Not at all; you don't need to be certain in order to discuss things. But things are often more complex than the nice simple black and white way things are packaged up for our consumption by the state and its media outlets. Who exist not to inform us, but to control us.
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Old 13-03-2018, 12:27   #56
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Unless it's muslims and transgender shit
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Trump sacks Secretary of state the day after he blames Russia for attack.

Just a conspiracy theory though....
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Old 13-03-2018, 14:19   #58
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Good to see the EU looking at joint response to Russia

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...26106031755264
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"The Russian attack on Britain"
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