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Old 22-02-2018, 09:23   #761
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STrike back. On second series or third, cant remember... but its fucking ace
Wait until you get reach this new series, its shit
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Old 22-02-2018, 09:30   #762
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Wait until you get reach this new series, its shit
lol I didn't even know they'd made a reboot, I thought it finished years ago for good.
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Old 23-02-2018, 15:02   #763
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The Vietnam War, 10 part PBS documentary, each episode is feature length, it's very good although the music can be a bit over-bearing, almost constantly on and it's like the narrator has to shout over it.
I finished this, all 18 hours of it

I learned more than I knew before about the affair. It was very biased towards the anti-war side, although I shared most of this bias myself it was still quite jarring the way it made so little pretense of being balanced. It also spent hours on shoehorning racial issues into it.

Anyway anyone who thinks things are fucked today and Trump is the devil etc. should watch this and remind themselves that there's nothing new under the sun, and today is a paragon of peace and serenity at home and abroad in comparison to the insanity of the Vietnam era. Over 50k Americans dead and millions of Vietnamese both north and south. And at home, protestors being literally shot dead by the National Guard. The war was started, deepened and lied about under successive Democrat presidents, who the programme makers did criticise but I felt still pulled their punches compared to how they treated Nixon, who actually ended the draft exemptions and changed it to a lottery so rich people had the same chance of going as poor, plus he was the one who ended the war without worrying too much about losing it. Lyndon Johnson didn't want to lose face and even in the late 60s they knew the war was unwinnable.

The series was also, I felt rather self indulgent on the behalf of some of the vets (99% of whom were cherry-picked to be extremely anti-war and anti 'racism' etc. including one white vet doing a black power salute). It was bad for them no doubt, and 50k dead is a lot, but that's in nearly 10 years. In WW2 50k were dying a month. Point being, their suffering although terrible was not uniquely so, and some of them are still wallowing deep in it four decades later.

Anyway, somewhat recommendable and you'll probably learn something unless you're very well versed in the history. The interviews with NVA and VC were particularly interesting. eg. one VC was very clear that he (personally at least) didn't care about communism but only about nationalism and driving out the invaders (Americans) and what the north called the 'puppets' (south Vietnam regime).

Oh yeah, apparently the BBC had this and it was an abridged 10 hour version. I downloaded the full version shown in America.
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Old 23-02-2018, 15:42   #764
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Anyway anyone who thinks things are fucked today and Trump is the devil etc. should watch this and remind themselves that there's nothing new under the sun, and today is a paragon of peace and serenity at home and abroad in comparison to the insanity of the Vietnam era.
Are you actually taking the fucking PISS?

(Nice review though )
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Old 23-02-2018, 16:07   #765
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I said in comparison. If you think it's as bad today as then, you don't know how bad it was then.

No Western country since, has been in any war of the scale of Vietnam. The Falklands, Gulf Wars, Afghanistan etc. are minor BY COMPARISON. The US had about 10,000 aircraft lost in Vietnam, most of them shot down. Carpet bombing civilians with B52s. The enemy was extremely capable (all the US vets said they respected them enormously, even though they hated them).

Afghanistan is similar to Vietnam in terms of the Taliban being extremely skilled at guerilla tactics and knowing how to fight a bigger and better equipped force. But the two sides were much closer matched in Vietnam. The north had strong anti-aircraft capabilities and also their own air force, which while inferior to the Americans was still a great danger.

It's also similar in that to some degree the Americans fought Vietnam with one hand tied behind their backs. They didn't mine the waters around the north which would have prevented resupply, for fear of sinking Soviet ships and starting a wider war. They didn't follow NVA/VC forces into Laos or Cambodia either (they did do this in the final months after Nixon ordered it, but not in an attempt to actually 'win' because by then it was years too late.). And for a lot of the war they didn't bomb the north. And when they did, there were very restrictive rules of engagement and micromanagement by Washington, so even when the aircraft identified targets, they were strictly forbidden to fire on them if they weren't on the approved list.

When the north's forces did fight the Americans openly a few times like the Tet offensive, they were massacred.

One thing I heard I would probably rather not have, during one bombing raid the shockwave was so powerful it made one man's eyes literally pop out.

Or the US soldiers caught in their own napalm and the gory details of that.

Or the huge numbers of civilians that some US soldiers massacred in cold blood, shooting old men, women, children and babies in the head, raping them too etc.

The Americans would also lose large numbers taking this or that hill, and once taken, they would abandon it. They took it for nothing. There was no strategic purpose.

Basically... yeah it hasn't been that bad since. Bad, but not that bad. Not on that scale.
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Old 23-02-2018, 21:25   #766
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Rape as a war tool could have made me consider joining up. It should be pushed to young men on posters all over the country. Probably be a better marketing tool compared to inviting shirtlifters and goat fucking sand wogs.
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I said in comparison. If you think it's as bad today as then, you don't know how bad it was then.
Sorry - I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. My incredulity is at the fact that you're pointing out something that I've been saying for YEARS of arguing with you. You have constantly bemoaned the downfall of society that is in progress, and I have always pointed out the fact that it's been FAR, far worse at nearly all points in history.
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He's done the sums idiot, economic collapse is happening, it's a mathematical certainty.
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Finished Inside No. 9 last night, love that, although the "best actress" episode was a bit weak compared to the usual high standard.
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