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Old 28-09-2018, 15:32   #11
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MRAs and other associated idiots are always eager to mention the 2% of reported rapes which turn out to be false accusations... But they never seem so keen to do something about the other 98%.
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Out of interest though, what would you want to happen next with this case?
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MRAs and other associated idiots are always eager to mention the 2% of reported rapes which turn out to be false accusations... But they never seem so keen to do something about the other 98%.
It's more like 58%, not 98%.

Women have spoiled it for themselves by crying 'rape' too easily. Had consensual sex but decided later you changed your mind? RAPE. Had consensual sex with an audience, or with a few partners simultaneously, but later find out it was videoed and leaked on the internet? RAPE. Had a couple of drinks and consented to sex? RAPE.

God help any man who is ever accused of rape and has you on a jury. Especially if he's white
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Old 28-09-2018, 15:45   #14
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It's more like 58%, not 98%.
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Old 28-09-2018, 15:51   #15
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The conviction rate for rape is 58%. That bears repeating. The conviction rate for rape, is 58%. The conviction rate for reportable crimes of all types is 57%. I know you will have heard the figure of 6%. Everyone has. That figure is actually an attrition rate, not a conviction rate, and even as an attrition rate it is wrong – the attrition rate for rape is in the region of 12%.

An attrition rate is the amount of convictions resulting from reports of a crime, and is not routinely calculated for any crime other than rape. Therefore without manually undertaking the exercise, it is impossible to compare the (true) attrition figure for rape with other crimes. A conviction rate is the amount of convictions following a trial, and is calculated for all reportable crimes.

Why is this important? Because the rhetoric of rape, which largely propounds myths, puts survivors off reporting the crimes committed against them, making them perceive that the system designed to assist them is actually wholly against them.

Last week, Mumsnet released a survey of its users as part of its We Believe You rape awareness campaign. Sixty-eight per cent of respondents said low conviction rates would make them hesitate to report a rape due to low conviction rates – clearly they had heard the 6% figure too.
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People like penski spreading these myths are hurting women and letting rapists go free
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Old 28-09-2018, 15:55   #16
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Oh, you dumb motherfucker
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Old 28-09-2018, 16:24   #17
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Out of interest though, what would you want to happen next with this case?
It's perfectly reasonable to say that these accusations aren't proof, while also raising questions as to his suitability for a lifelong appointment to Americas ultimate court.
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Is he really the only option? There are no qualified candidates without gang rape allegations hanging over them?
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Old 28-09-2018, 16:38   #19
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It's perfectly reasonable to say that these accusations aren't proof, while also raising questions as to his suitability for a lifelong appointment to Americas ultimate court.
Yeah, and the questions have been raised, to both of them.

However if the accusations are unproven then does his suitability not remain? I'm no fan of his politics, but the idea he *might* have done something is not enough for him to lose his nomination.

For the sake of argument let's say he's innocent. What are we asking him to do? How can he protect his career, his reputation etc? Because the alleged incident occurred 36 years ago it's pretty much impossible for him to be able to prove his innocence and yet that's the crux of it, prove your innocence or lose your nomination in disgrace and be known as a sexual predator.
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Under US law, like ours, there is the presumption of innocence. Visage evidently believes in the no smoke without fire fallacy. So if enough mud is thrown, some sticks, the nominee should step down and forever be tainted by an unproven allegation.

If her accusations are true, sorry but she missed her chance decades ago and can't reasonably expect to be taken seriously now without substantive proof.
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