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Old 07-12-2017, 10:15   #3351
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Yep, lots of confusion on what we want, changing almost daily. They have also said in fairness a third option is a new trade deal, worse than now, but better than WTO.

Before they get onto future hypothetical trading relationships they've asked we focus on present issues that will need resolving regardless of the trade deal. That's not exactly unreasonable. We told Scotland similiar when they were considering leaving the union. Anyway, we agreed to that timeline on day 1 of talks, EU27 voted on it as well from their end and are united in their approach, and we even helped draft the parts of the lisbon treaty they are following. If we suddenly dislike it, fine, but that's our problem and our fault more than theirs, we had our chance to object and reject the format and 'walk away' but we didn't, we agreed and here we are. Yes they might be sticking to the treaty rather than giving us doing us any special favours, but why should they? Would we? We've been very confrontational to them throughout all of this, with May even pretending they were meddling in our affairs and trying to derail brexit as an election tactic so she needed us to vote for her and give her a big majority. Backfired innit, burned our bridges a bit on that one. Again, our mistake.

I know the EU are putting their own interests ahead of ours when it comes to us meeting payments, but of course they will. Again, we would. Sometimes it seems like we're getting mad that we can't decide the EU's position and make life easy for ourselves. WHY CAN'T THEY JUST DO WHAT WE WANT

I do agree we need a firmer leader, but I don't think it's standing up to the EU that is the main issue, it's standing up to conflicting interests back home. May is being pulled in three different directions and is trying to please them all lest one of them topples her. It's reaching a point where she should just outline her plan, properly, and present it to the cabinet and basically tell them to back her or sack her. It's the first step, getting the government on one united front, and in all honesty should have been done fucking months ago.
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:19   #3352
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It still is amazing, just the people who are managing it are inadequate and not upto the task. A cross party coalition should be negotiating as this is bigger than one party.
What would this new dream team do differently?
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:34   #3353
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...59780427477483

Starting to think that the only reason he's still there is to keep the majority from thinning even further...

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Probably why he threatened to resign last week just because they wouldn't let his mate wank in the office.
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:46   #3355
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tbf to them, it wouldn't really be a tory government without at least one wanking scandal
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What's the big deal, it's good for moral?

Video not working? GO OLDSKOOL! Or just give up. N* is bound to post a better vid.

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Old 07-12-2017, 12:06   #3357
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Well I was trying to have a quick one yeah but it's like piccadilly circus in 'ere.
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https://www.ft.com/content/ec2a8982-...9-c64b1c09b482

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The leader of Germany’s Social Democrats has called for EU member states to commit to a “United States of Europe” by 2025, setting out an ambitious European reform agenda as a condition for holding talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel on the formation of a new government.
Ever closer union anyone?
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Sounds good to me
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FUCK BEING ASSOCIATED TO A UNION OF STATES. THATS MENTAL.

THE UNITED KINGDOM IS BETTER OFF ON ITS OWN, MAYBE WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS ITS CLOSE TRADING PARTNER AND ALLY
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