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Old 25-01-2018, 09:56   #41
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if corbyn backs remain/soft brexit etc, he stands to lose about a third of labour supporters

the majority of his party backs remain in some form or fashion but he can't afford to lose the ones who voted for a proper brexit, or at least back doing it now

its why labour has sort of tried to occupy both positions, their vagueness has probably helped them get where they are and prevent may's majority

what would visage have done if he was him eh? eh? EH???
If Corbyn feels he's hot no choice but to support Brexit then he should at least be honest as to how it will effect the rest of his manifesto.

You can have brexit or investment in public services. Not both.
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Old 25-01-2018, 10:00   #42
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Old 25-01-2018, 10:10   #43
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if corbyn backs remain/soft brexit etc, he stands to lose about a third of labour supporters
Not convinced about that now. Brexit is beginning to slide down the list of priorities and is under the NHS. Those angry ex-labour northern voters probably aren't going to do enough to lose the seat to a tory, even if they vote for them. They are being replaced as they die off by younger voters who overwhelmingly want to stay in the EU.

The swing age group is late 40's I think and again, they are more likely to favour single market etc.
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Old 25-01-2018, 10:14   #44
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Why?
Because their spending plans rely on investment and growth. Which Brexit is damaging.

It's like Boris Johnson banging on about spending the money saved on EU payments on the NHS. If those savings are all wiped out by drops in government income, then investment has to be reduced.
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While I agree with that I also think part of why it's slid down is because interest over Brexit in general has drooped, it's coming up to two years since the referendum now and things are moving on a bit. People have come to terms with it more, reasoned themselves (rightly or wrongly) that it'll be mostly fine.

IIRC there's an uncomfortable poll that remainers can't square with, because the wording of it is crucial. While we may have a shift of opinion over Brexit itself, with I think for the first time since the vote most of the country apparently think remaining would have been better, if they're asked should we proceed regardless, it's a big yes. It's clear a lot of remainers believe the decision has been made, and it's time to get on with it.
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Because their spending plans rely on investment and growth. Which Brexit is damaging.

It's like Boris Johnson banging on about spending the money saved on EU payments on the NHS. If those savings are all wiped out by drops in government income, then investment has to be reduced.
Perhaps but we've been looking at a stalling economy for a little while in terms of growth based on our domestic policies. We've seen the government deprive its own income ideologically in terms of successive corporation tax cuts and others that benefit the wealthiest. We know Labour wouldn't operate its plan under that kind of economic landscape for a start.

In terms of growth in the long-term with or without Brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8171731.html

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A report by Cambridge Econometrics commissioned by the Mayor of London earlier this year projected UK growth to be 3 per cent lower by 2030 than it would have been if Britain remained within the EU’s single market and customs union.

“If that’s the worst that Brexit will deliver, then I wouldn’t worry about it,” Lord O’Neill said.
A 0.3% drop in GDP per year is regrettable but shouldn't be enough to bin a manifesto over. Every incoming government in history knows that certain numbers may be tweaked depending on the economic conditions at the time.
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