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Old 10-05-2017, 10:31   #21
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If you believe in the primacy of national sovereignty then it's not surprising that since the Lisbon Treaty strengthened the power of the EU legislature that there would be more opposition.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:40   #22
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I couldn't really care less about it because it does nothing but cause problems in the long term. Nationalism causes divisions over where people happened to be born, having different rights and freedoms based on a flag. That's what it boils down to, and the ease in which nationalism can be linked to racism and xenophobia shows us how close to the wind we're sailing when we elect "nationalists" into power to "protect" us from people not born here. Those divisions lead to anger, and as history has shown it leads to violence and war.

What is so wrong with federalism, where we take down barriers between people and economies and laws/rights, surely if we believe in equal rights etc they shouldn't just end at where we've drawn a line in the dirt?

Those opposed to it tend to throw up poor analogies about leaving your door unlocked at night but offer little else in the way of a coherent argument that our future lies with nativism and increasing national isolation.
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Most people generally don't though. All they are concerned about is their living standards and welfare. Both of which are now about to fall for those without wealth here as they will in America.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:59   #24
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I couldn't really care less about it because it does nothing but cause problems in the long term. Nationalism causes divisions over where people happened to be born, having different rights and freedoms based on a flag. That's what it boils down to, and the ease in which nationalism can be linked to racism and xenophobia shows us how close to the wind we're sailing when we elect "nationalists" into power to "protect" us from people not born here. Those divisions lead to anger, and as history has shown it leads to violence and war.
National sovereignty doesn't have to mean xenophobic nationalism, it just means the people have the power in the national governments to govern as they see fit. It's simply much harder to deliver real change in a federal system.

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Nothing inherently wrong with federalism so long as it is based in democracy and the federated body of states are culturally and economically compatible. As for equal rights, how does that manifest in a disparate world, either it means watering down the rights of the citizens of the federation or creating a 'fortress' where people are forcibly kept out to maintain the 'equality' and living standards of those within.

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I'd argue your characterisation of national sovereignty equally poor. Funnily enough the neoliberal establishment, that is the EU, would most likely block the attempt of nationalisations. They believe in a system of "open national freight and passenger markets to cross-border competition", which is obviously incompatible to a rail network owned by a NATION and run in national interests rather than as an asset for hedge funds to make money off.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:11   #25
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I'd argue your characterisation of national sovereignty equally poor. Funnily enough the neoliberal establishment, that is the EU, would most likely block the attempt of nationalisations. They believe in a system of "open national freight and passenger markets to cross-border competition", which is obviously incompatible to a rail network owned by a NATION and run in national interests rather than as an asset for hedge funds to make money off.
They don't seem to have told Germany about that.

In fact the German state owns a whacking great chunk of the UK railways.
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http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/po...ilway-package/

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The 4th railway package includes the proposal to open up domestic passenger railways to new entrants and services from December 2019. Companies would be able either to offer competing services, such as a new train service on a particular route, or to bid for public service rail contracts through tendering. The proposed changes would make competitive tendering mandatory for public service rail contracts in the EU.
http://www.leftfutures.org/2015/09/e...tionalisation/

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Is there something behind your recent change in political views?
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What change in views? I wouldn't say they've changed that much. How do you view me?
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