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Old 04-01-2016, 18:04   #1
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Could be interesting if he gets rid of the people who oppose his policies, he'll be attacked by some in his own party for doing so.

So what should he do? Keep his friends close but his enemies closer, and keep those people like Hilary Benn in their positions? Or do what I think he should do, which is appoint people who support his vision. What is the point of a leader otherwise, he is there to lead and his shadow cabinet should support him wholeheartedly or go onto the backbenches imo.
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Old 04-01-2016, 18:13   #2
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What'll happen is he'll get lambasted by the press for ditching Hillary Benn despite the fact that every PM and leader of the opposition picks people in the senior cabinet positions that share their views. Corbyn opposed the leadership before but from the back benches. For senior figures to do it is tearing the party apart.

The Blairites don't get it. They are simply not aligned with the views of the membership having drifted to the right since the 90's and alienated most of their voters as well.

If they topple Corbyn (which could happen) then unless the rules are changed, another left winger will win the next leadership election, or perhaps even Corbyn again if he stands.

It's like when you have a new manager at a football club. You need to give them time to build up the team and then judge them on performances. They are going to have give Corbyn the next election to see how he does whether they like it or not. If Labour lose again, I'm sure he'll resign but they leave themselves more vulnerable if they ditch him against the wishes of their membership.
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Old 04-01-2016, 18:16   #3
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I get the hypocrisy thing, he voted against the party many times etc... but that was then, this is now, he's the leader. If the leader back then let him rebel, does that mean all future leaders must? Plus, when he rebelled, he was a backbencher, not in shadow cabinet as far as I know?

The wider problem will be trying to get the party united. Divided parties aren't electable, regardless of left or right, so realistically I can't see him surviving an election at all if he goes into it with a complete mess in terms of policy and what would actually happen under a Labour government.

A time will come when he may need to give up on getting the 'moderates' on side and just fuck them off, he can't keep entertaining their constant public attacks of him, a bit of ruffled feathers after his election is one thing, fine, but as we edge towards the next election it's out of order to have the likes of Danzuk going on the news slagging off the leader for no real reason other than that he didn't want him personally as leader.
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Old 04-01-2016, 18:21   #4
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As Chuckles says, it isn't actually hypocrisy although his opponents will paint it as such. He had some sort of license to oppose from the backbenches. Okay you are meant to vote with the party when whipped, but failing to do so is not nearly as big a deal as a shadow defence or foreign secretary, one of the major (shadow) offices of state, publicly opposing and contradicting the leader on a major issue.

He has a lot of the PLP against him, maybe he is best to go over their heads and lead with policies he advocates, and do what the party members want rather than the 100 or so careerists in the PLP who only care about getting into power no matter what.
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Indeed. I do have some sympathy for them, the likes of Maria Eagle etc. Her views are what they are on trident, and we shouldn't expect her to change them any more than Corbyn should change his. She was elected as an MP in the same way he was. All of the MPs were, and they have a right to their views. Would we, in their position, stand aside so easily?

The membership clearly has a left-wing census, but it's not the membership who will return MPs to Westminster, it's the public in each of the constituencies so the MPs are right when they say they're elected based on what they've told people on the doorstep and in their meetings with them. They can't just go back on it all wholesale. They're being asked to live a double life in some ways, do/vote what their constituents expect of them, but also do/vote what the new influx of members want them to.

They should, ideally, give him the benefit of the doubt, be welcoming and conciliatory and try and bring together his views, and their views into one new reformed Labour party that has more in common again than it has different. He's about the most approachable leader they've had in decades. The Blairites just haven't seemed to do that, being hostile since day one, well before day one really, they were grinding their teeth before he even won. The very prospect of his victory had them begging the members not to 'drive us over the cliff' - that sort of language set the tone didn't it? Fucking Mandelson sitting across from Andrew Neil on DailyPolitics, and saying without a hint of remorse, to MPs to "wait to oust Corbyn" - Oust him. Days after he has won, democratically, with a landslide. Before he's done a lick of work as leader he's hearing on national TV he should be ousted. Not exactly fertile ground for building a new policy set.
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Old 04-01-2016, 18:55   #6
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Perhaps Corbyn ought to have not appointed people who didn't share his views, then he wouldn't be in the position of having to sack them.

Then again, perhaps he is very shrewd. He might have known that if he'd just appointed people who agreed with him, it would be dismissed as 'yes men' and 'cronies'. Now, everyone can see why he is doing it. Although I suppose he will still be castigated in any case. When someone is determined to find you in the wrong no matter what you do, you can't win so trying to appease them is pointless.
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Maybe the people he appointed could have refused?

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...amok-reshuffle

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whoever he appoints will only make cringeworthy one liner statements on question time anyway

the positions are irrelevent and why anybody gives a fuck i dont know
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