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Old 29-04-2018, 22:25   #3681
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8326101.html

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Britain is set to make an offer to the EU on future immigration which would see arrangements “very similar” to current free movement rules put in place after Brexit, The Independent has learned.

UK negotiators would like to put the proposal forward to coincide with a European Council summit in June, in a bid to break a deadlock in Brexit talks.

The plan would see a high level of access to the UK for EU citizens in the future, but would leave the British government power to halt it in certain circumstances.
lol at it, so literally the same as before, just that we never bothered to enforce any of the previous circumstantial controls anyway

just rename and reword things enough to fool the brexity plebs, torn between feeling deceived as a citizen, but also lolling cos I'm a remainer and LITERALLY SAID this would happen
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Old 30-04-2018, 18:46   #3682
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Wtf is this latest parliamentary vote thing they have passed on brexit ? The HOC can vote it down ?
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Old 30-04-2018, 19:09   #3683
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No, they’ve cancelled Brexit. Lol
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Old 30-04-2018, 19:34   #3684
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how many nails does this coffin need?

parliament must decide the final terms of brexit and majority of MPs wanted to remain
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Old 01-05-2018, 10:17   #3685
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Wtf is this latest parliamentary vote thing they have passed on brexit ? The HOC can vote it down ?
The government will present the final agreement on the terms of EU withdrawal to MPs for a vote. AFAIK the idea was that if MPs voted against it, then the UK would leave the EU with no deal, and default to WTO trade rules etc.

The Lords want it so that if MPs vote against the agreed deal, the UK stays in the EU until it has agreed a deal which MPs will vote for.

So in theory MPs could keep sending the negotiators back until the deal is soft Brexit, or Brexit in name only. Free movement of people, customs union, what have you.
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Old 01-05-2018, 19:45   #3686
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A Welsh peer who likened Theresa May's approach to Brexit to the Nazi takeover of Germany in 1933 has been urged to withdraw his "disgusting" remarks.

He said his mind "went back to Berlin in March 1933" when the German Reichstag (Parliament) passed an Enabling Bill which "transferred democratic rights of the parliament into the hands of one man".

"That was the Chancellor, and his name was Adolf Hitler," Lord Roberts added.

"Perhaps I'm seeing threats that do not exist, but they are there, they are possible."
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Old 01-05-2018, 21:32   #3687
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The crux of this is we are a parliamentary democracy and not a direct one, our leglislation isn’t built from referendums, so the reality was always going to be a case of parliament voting on and passing the actual specifics and the various laws that Brexit will be built upon. ‘Brexit means Brexit’ is not possible to govern from because it means something different depending on who you ask and crucially whoever is in office on that particular day so parliament needs to put down actual decisions into law and that requires bills, votes etc.

To not do so would cause a constitutional crisis and if this referendum decision is acted wholly upon by Downing Street to do whatever it liked to the statute book, then it’d be a very short victory for true Brexit supporters anyway, as the first pro-EU government that followed would use that precedent to just roll it all back anyway.

None of this is any surprise to those who understood how the commons, lords and government actually work. Boris lied through his teeth, blatantly, but people didn’t want to hear the reality, just the fantasy.
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Old 01-05-2018, 21:39   #3688
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The government will present the final agreement on the terms of EU withdrawal to MPs for a vote. AFAIK the idea was that if MPs voted against it, then the UK would leave the EU with no deal, and default to WTO trade rules etc.

The Lords want it so that if MPs vote against the agreed deal, the UK stays in the EU until it has agreed a deal which MPs will vote for.

So in theory MPs could keep sending the negotiators back until the deal is soft Brexit, or Brexit in name only. Free movement of people, customs union, what have you.


its was all so obvious
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Brexiteers: PARLIAMENT MUST BE SOVEREIGN
Parliament: Fine, we'll cancel Brexit then
Brexiters: NOT LIKE THAT.
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