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Old 17-08-2010, 11:09   #11
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Yup its fucking shit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-10984311

Oh yeah lets just send out a message to criminals, ride a bike STOLEN with no helmet and you can get away.

Run the cunts off and they might die or survive but dont let them get away.
Well tbh pies, i don't agree with high speed police chases anyway, as they almost always end in disaster. If you don't follow them, they relax and slow down a bit so hopefully they don't mow down the woman and child crossing the road. If i was walking along, i wouldn't really want to see the police knock the bikers off and see head splatter over the curb.

The police need tracer darts or something, and some rapid-response uavs, just follow criminals, catch them at the end of the day will all the footage as evidence.
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Old 17-08-2010, 11:30   #12
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Blighter, have you been reading the Daily Mail?
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Old 17-08-2010, 11:32   #13
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Not being funny Stag, but I've just shown how clever I am with my post, yet there's no reply or rep from you? What the fuck?
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Old 17-08-2010, 11:37   #14
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Idiot. Nobody should have the right to kill anyone
What about the right of self defence? That can involve killing your attacker...
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Oh and one more thing (STFU to anyone deliberately yawning) it's not proven itself as a worthy deterrent either. Sometimes CP is defended as the ultimate scare tactic. 'Kill a few of them and watch how many carry on' You only have to look at the countries or states of the US that had and still do use CP. How long have they had it? Has it stopped murders? Has it even reduced them?
well if we're talking laws that have reduced murders then there's a pretty strong correlation between strict gun control and high murder rates in the US ...
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well if we're talking laws that have reduced murders then there's a pretty strong correlation between strict gun control and high murder rates in the US ...
Well we're talking about capital punishment and murder rates and if there's any marked decrease?
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What about the right of self defence? That can involve killing your attacker...
The right of defending yourself resulting in the accidental death of the attacker is not the same as the right to kill.
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The right of defending yourself resulting in the accidental death of the attacker is not the same as the right to kill.
It's not just accidental death, there might be a scenario of kill or be killed. However I know what you mean.
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The right of defending yourself resulting in the accidental death of the attacker is not the same as the right to kill.
what about the cases where the only way to defend themselves involved killing the attacker by shooting them or stabbing them .. and the bollocks about shooting someone to stop them is not shooting to kill is just that bollocks. At close range being shot in the chest or head is way more likely to kill than injure, a quick perusal of the numbers from some of the recent shooting rampages reveals that.
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Not being funny Stag, but I've just shown how clever I am with my post, yet there's no reply or rep from you? What the fuck?
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LOOOL, rape is a new one. How many rapists do you think are guilty? All of them? None have ever been the victim of false testimony from a woman who cried rape but never was? Not many I know, but if there's just ONE, which is certainly possible, then it's one too many.



Quite true but if we're placing a value on a citizen's life based on their benefit to society, wouldn't that mean a lot of "useless" people would be executed? Jokes aside about gassing jews and queers (the BBC) for a second, that would be a dangerous and fairly insane road to go down. Value of life is not summised by what they bring to society. It's a type of unsettling social darwinism that can jog on tbh



Because one is a reversable, practical punishment, the other is an absolute end. What if part way through their sentence new evidence comes to light? A prisoner can recieve a pardon, compensation and would be released. He'll have lost several years of his life to prison, but what do you think he'd prefer? The opportunity to move on and start a new life, or be 6ft under?



Well don't forget that a life sentence isn't always meaning they're in prison for the rest of their life. That's a different sentencing technically and reserved for really fucked up people, most life sentences have a minimum term and then can be eligible for parole etc. They do lose a significant portion of their life to the prison system though. If you're looking at the economics on this, have you checked which is actually cheaper? It's not as black and white as the cost of living for a prisoner vs the cost of a bullet etc.



As you can tell, no I don't. It's normally the knee-jerk reaction of mob mentality. Something that sounds like justified retribution in the short term, would be a bad idea in the long term IMHO.

Just to add a few more thoughts for you, what do you think about giving the state the legal power to execute people? Sometimes it puzzles me how many don't trust the powers that be with their fingerprints, but they're happy to let them gain the legal and judicial power to kill people who are deemed 'guilty' of certain crimes?

What about the hypocrisy of the situation? Is it right to end the life of someone who's ended the life of someone else? Do we judge by case by case? Are crimes of passion or mercy killing included? You wouldn't sentence a woman to death for example if she ended her husband's life because he was terminally ill and in agony, right? Or if a father caught and killed the man who raped and killed his daughter? Would he be put to death? Wasn't he doing exactly what the state would do? It's a fucking can of worms to go into, and tbh it's complicated enough without the added pressure of making a wrong decision and condemning someone to death who doesn't deserve it.
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