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Old 16-08-2010, 20:17   #1
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Just thinking about the justice system and believe that executions should be reintroduced for rape/murder/life sentences.

If someone rapes or murders then they obviously aren't a benefit for society.

If someones locked away for life then why not just kill them anyway? They will just be draining resources from the country and are going to die in prison anyway

Thoughts? Do you agree with capitol punishment?
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Old 16-08-2010, 20:21   #2
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If someone rapes or murders then they obviously aren't a benefit for society.
If being a benefit to society was the mark of whether they should be killed or not, this membership on the place would be a lot lighter.

Its not a reason for killing people.
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Old 16-08-2010, 20:26   #3
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If being a benefit to society was the mark of whether they should be killed or not, this membership on the place would be a lot lighter.

Its not a reason for killing people.
Not killing them because they just aren't a benefit, but because if you do it once then you won't have any trouble doing it again.
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Yup its fucking shit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-10984311

Oh yeah lets just send out a message to criminals, ride a bike STOLEN with no helmet and you can get away.

Run the cunts off and they might die or survive but dont let them get away.
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capital punishment shouldn't be reintroduced unless you can prove 100% that a person is guilty, otherwise it'll end up like minority report but with gallows.
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Only absolute fucking retards think that the death penalty is a good thing.

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Just thinking about the justice system and believe that executions should be reintroduced for rape/murder/life sentences.
LOOOL, rape is a new one. How many rapists do you think are guilty? All of them? None have ever been the victim of false testimony from a woman who cried rape but never was? Not many I know, but if there's just ONE, which is certainly possible, then it's one too many.

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If someone rapes or murders then they obviously aren't a benefit for society.
Quite true but if we're placing a value on a citizen's life based on their benefit to society, wouldn't that mean a lot of "useless" people would be executed? Jokes aside about gassing jews and queers (the BBC) for a second, that would be a dangerous and fairly insane road to go down. Value of life is not summised by what they bring to society. It's a type of unsettling social darwinism that can jog on tbh

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If someones locked away for life then why not just kill them anyway?
Because one is a reversable, practical punishment, the other is an absolute end. What if part way through their sentence new evidence comes to light? A prisoner can recieve a pardon, compensation and would be released. He'll have lost several years of his life to prison, but what do you think he'd prefer? The opportunity to move on and start a new life, or be 6ft under?

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They will just be draining resources from the country and are going to die in prison anyway
Well don't forget that a life sentence isn't always meaning they're in prison for the rest of their life. That's a different sentencing technically and reserved for really fucked up people, most life sentences have a minimum term and then can be eligible for parole etc. They do lose a significant portion of their life to the prison system though. If you're looking at the economics on this, have you checked which is actually cheaper? It's not as black and white as the cost of living for a prisoner vs the cost of a bullet etc.

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Thoughts? Do you agree with capitol punishment?
As you can tell, no I don't. It's normally the knee-jerk reaction of mob mentality. Something that sounds like justified retribution in the short term, would be a bad idea in the long term IMHO.

Just to add a few more thoughts for you, what do you think about giving the state the legal power to execute people? Sometimes it puzzles me how many don't trust the powers that be with their fingerprints, but they're happy to let them gain the legal and judicial power to kill people who are deemed 'guilty' of certain crimes?

What about the hypocrisy of the situation? Is it right to end the life of someone who's ended the life of someone else? Do we judge by case by case? Are crimes of passion or mercy killing included? You wouldn't sentence a woman to death for example if she ended her husband's life because he was terminally ill and in agony, right? Or if a father caught and killed the man who raped and killed his daughter? Would he be put to death? Wasn't he doing exactly what the state would do? It's a fucking can of worms to go into, and tbh it's complicated enough without the added pressure of making a wrong decision and condemning someone to death who doesn't deserve it.
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Fucking hell Blighter you stupid cunt

This shit is something you cover in secondary school ffs. What, Blighter, would we do if someone who'd been executed was later proven innocent? Apologise profusely? YOU THICK CUNT.
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Oh and one more thing (STFU to anyone deliberately yawning) it's not proven itself as a worthy deterrent either. Sometimes CP is defended as the ultimate scare tactic. 'Kill a few of them and watch how many carry on' You only have to look at the countries or states of the US that had and still do use CP. How long have they had it? Has it stopped murders? Has it even reduced them?
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Just thinking about the justice system and believe that executions should be reintroduced for rape/murder/life sentences.

If someone rapes or murders then they obviously aren't a benefit for society.

If someones locked away for life then why not just kill them anyway? They will just be draining resources from the country and are going to die in prison anyway

Thoughts? Do you agree with capitol punishment?
Idiot. Nobody should have the right to kill anyone, especially the state. Even if you have 'solid' proof that this person has committed a crime, doesn't mean it isn't just a perfect set-up. They only way of knowing would be a confession from the defendant. But to confess knowing you are going to be killed, in my eyes, puts you in the insane category, and clearly they need to go to a mental hospital, not to death.

If you were wrongly accused of murder, it would be bad, and you would be really upset, but jail isn't that bad any more, decent regular meals, outside activity, make a few odd friends in jail. It's not going to be nice not having your freedom, but it is a hell of a lot better than being put to death.
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