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Old 08-04-2010, 12:14   #21
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The Lords usually have sense though.
The Lords passed this bill a few weeks ago
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:19   #22
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The Lords passed this bill a few weeks ago
WAT? Hasn't it just gone to them to be passed?
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If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

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Old 08-04-2010, 12:37   #23
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Old 08-04-2010, 12:46   #24
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IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

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Old 08-04-2010, 13:09   #25
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What about films though?

If somebody could offer me downloads of any film for 10 a month, legally, I would happily pay it.

As somebody has said - paying 14 for a DVD/BluRay is not right. That is, it's gross profiteering.

As for games, I download them. If I find myself playing it for longer than an hour or two (i.e. I actually like it), I buy it on Steam.
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But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

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Old 08-04-2010, 13:18   #26
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Naive fantasy bollocks - people need to eat and deserve to get a good return for their skills and I have no problem with that. I am happy to pay (a fair price) for video games, if it means we get the high quality titles we are spoilt with these days.
Yes, it is not really possible in the current world. But there are many like myself, who will happily feed the artists for nothing, so they can do their thing. That's what communities are supposed to do, each member adds what they are skilled in. Why do we need money to lubricate this, why can't everyone just do their thing for nothing.
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Socialism is fine in theory but it doesn't work in practice.
Yes, national socialism has been shown to be unworkable. But a network of smaller communities could be successful, as many socialist communities already work. Libertarian Socialism.
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Old 08-04-2010, 15:01   #28
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And re Bill Hicks, yes he spoke a lot of sense but to put my cynical hat on, I expect he charged money for his appearances and enjoyed the lifestyle that the money gave him, unless anyone knows different?
So what if he did, he wasn't promoting the dissolution of capitalism? Money itself isn't an issue, it is the hoarding of it and short-termistic issues that arise from extreme forms of it.

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His 'it's just a ride' speech while superficially attractive, doesn't stand up to scrutiny - people aren't idiots for caring about money or their job etc. in this life, because you need those things in this life, whether we like it or not - it's the system we live under.
That is your understanding of it, it is more to do with seeing through materialism. Yes it is the system we live in, yes jobs and money are important; but they are important as much as they enable you to share your life with your friends and family. If you want to put on a spiritual take then I think it works as a good metaphor for the buddhist notion of Maya.

Fear and love is the choice, fear will lead you to your thinking that you have to hold onto everything you have and be scared of new things, love will allow you to be open and live a far more joyous life. Of course people want the best for the family, but that should mean having a roof over their heads and putting food on the table, it doesn't mean having the latest games console and Porsche Cayenne to ship your kids about.
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Old 08-04-2010, 16:14   #29
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