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Old 26-10-2017, 15:08   #41
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5 paragaphs in a row that say the same thing, just phrased differently ffs
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Old 26-10-2017, 15:11   #42
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Reinforcing the point.
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Old 22-11-2017, 15:34   #43
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Some interesting ideas from Monbiot.
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Old 22-11-2017, 21:39   #44
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Old 10-12-2017, 17:55   #45
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We need to understand the difference between Socialism and Social Democracy
My view is that we are lucky to have one of the best social democracies in the world, unfortunately the problem is the sustainability of our system in dependent on a booming economic system. A system that hasn't really boomed in a long time; so we're at the point where either we switch to a different system or we'll struggle to maintain the safety nets we currently have.

Right now I see Corbynism as basically stuck between 'sensible' social democracy (defending our safety nets with higher taxes) and a more radical vision of democratic socialism.

It's debatable whether higher taxes option could not effect necessary growth and lead to offshoring and exits for corporations; so regrettably the 'sensible' option depends on a magic growth tree and sadly will only come about with the continuation of the laissez fair approach to immigration and the economy, which whilst providing the necessary 'growth' will only really cause inequality to increase ever further.

IMO if Corbynism is going to really mean anything there needs to be a greater focus on the democratic socialist direction. The billion dollar question is what radical changes beyond renationalisations can be taken? Does there have to be a break from the reliance on economic growth to some new system of 'commons' or are we to really believe we can create meaningful and sustainable growth through increased state investment? Or are boring old tax rises simply enough?

For the many not the few is a nice sound bite, but it's just a slogan without policies that will deliver REAL change.
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