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Old 09-10-2017, 21:32   #11
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My point was that Visage said he had no one to vote for, well there is no general election in the offing regardless. As much as the last vote was about more than Brexit, if you were part of the '48%' and truly wanted a u-turn the Lib Dems were the party to vote for. Corbyn sees the EU as a capitalist club and I agree with him, the question is do the benefits outweigh the negatives. He was basically forced to present an alternative vision to the Tory position and failed, a 'soft Brexit' is no Brexit at all and the Brexiter working class largely voted Tory because of that.
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Old 09-10-2017, 23:11   #12
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Yeah but 'lib dems are the party to vote for' is bollocks because unless you think the 48% of remainers have now shrunk to 6% then its clear the lib dems are anything but. In fact I dont think the lib dem vote has changed at all since 2015, including during and after referendum. They have gone from influential to a pointless fringe party.

If you voted remain and want to shape brexit, labour is the only viability, as they can be a strong oppostion and possibly block batshit stuff. Its why their vote surged under young pro eu voters, they still felt like labour was the less of two evils for leaving the eu. I think labour will announce they'd keep us in single market tbh, and put economy at heart of a new deal. That is a brexit the 48% will be alright with
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If you voted remain and want to shape brexit, labour is the only viability, as they can be a strong oppostion and possibly block batshit stuff. Its why their vote surged under young pro eu voters, they still felt like labour was the less of two evils for leaving the eu. I think labour will announce they'd keep us in single market tbh, and put economy at heart of a new deal. That is a brexit the 48% will be alright with
Apparently a lot of half cut Labour MP's at their conference were saying that they would come out in favour of the Single Market but right now it's too early and they need to wait until the negotiations have been fucked up a bit more. 90% of the press will tear them apart so there needs to be more political capital before they go.

I'd imagine if it gets near to the deadline and the options boil down to no deal or the single market, they would at that point support it and have the backing of the public.
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