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Old 06-12-2017, 22:46   #3341
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Yes you did. Half of us on here told you that this kind of monkey clusterfuck would happen, and you voted for it.

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yes you did, you voted for this cluster fuck when you listened to idiots like Gove saying we don't need epxerts and Johnson wittering on like some insande crack addict. This is exactly what you voted for. The so called experts that were cast aside said this shit was going to unfold but all the unicorn cock munchers said it was project fear.

I laugh at the folly of the situation and hope that it will lead to more people dying of exposure and hunger in the streets while their childrens cold corpses are used as combustible material to keep our power stations fired up so we can drink our champagne with the lights on................
What i and the majority voted for was a exit from the EU, negotiated by somone who has a spine. What has happened is there is a weak government with an even weaker leader pissing about, while the EU sow the seeds of discontent.

Nobody wins as the EU are equally as short sighted, totally ignoring business interests in some pathetic attempt to try and reverse the vote decision, whilst pushing on demanding billions to fund EU bureaucracy.

If no agreements are reached by January over trade then both parties should walk away, the money saved paying the EU going to try and soften the blow/shock of the new world.
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Old 06-12-2017, 23:49   #3342
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There’s no concrete certainty that certain obligations won’t be dragged out of us through the courts though, and even if we do succeed in defaulting on things, our standibg and reputation in the world will be hit. Australian diplomats for instance have pointed out they’d be suspicious of future dealings with us if we had just shit all over one of their allies.

To just ‘walk away’ is not really as simple as it sounds. It doesn’t even resolve the Ireland issue, it probably even makes it worse as NI and ROI would default to WTO rules and regs. We need some kind of arrangement.
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Old 07-12-2017, 00:05   #3343
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What courts? We are no longer EU members.

Walking away is that simple as do you really think we won't be able to buy stuff from the EU? I don't dispute there will be years of problems but that is inevitable so it would be better for the UK spend the billions the EU demand on this problem.

As for Ireland, I'm not convinced that there isn't some shady deal with the ROI and the EU over the 16 Bilion tax bill from Apple the EU are demanding from them. Again however if you have a deal with the EU the ROI border is not an issue. Having said that again the UK should just say to the EU we arn't changing anything, if you want a border you build one... Fuck off.
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Old 07-12-2017, 00:07   #3344
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lol good luck if you think you are walking away while "they whistle" for the money. Hammond has already said deal or no deal the UK are paying their committed costs. Brexiteer re-visioning should be a sport, this is pure comedy gold. In 40 years when politics students study this cluster fuck the first quesiton they will ask will be were the government and cabinet members all smoking hi grade crack
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Old 07-12-2017, 00:39   #3345
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Its funny how Brexit has gone from 'Its going to be AMAZING' to 'Well, it might not be a *total* clusterfuck'
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If we leave without a deal we have WTO rules, they have to be obided by legally. We can’t say we aren’t doing them and want Ireland’s status with NI left identical. Not from my understanding anyway.

This is the thing about a no deal, we simply shift under a new overseeing organisation, with its own rules and members. Offering the EU zero tariffs for instance in the hope they’d reciprocate is against WTO member rules, and apparently the government know this, hence why they didn’t just do it on day dot and have instead entered negotiations.

I’m not saying walking away is impossible, if it’s our only option left then it’ll happen, but it’s far from simple.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:41   #3347
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Philip Hammond just confirmed the cabinet have not been asked what type of Brexit they want, and will sign off on.

It's literally just Teresa May's unelected advisors deciding this for the country, and they can't give a straight answer to what they want themselves.

Meanwhile MP's debating in committees whether on not David Davies is in breach of parliament by lying about those sector analysis studies
like the elite selling crew, those sector analysis studies don't exist. Even Raz Prince knows this

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Old 07-12-2017, 09:36   #3348
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Its funny how Brexit has gone from 'Its going to be AMAZING' to 'Well, it might not be a *total* clusterfuck'
It still is amazing, just the people who are managing it are inadequate and not upto the task. A cross party coalition should be negotiating as this is bigger than one party.
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:38   #3349
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If we leave without a deal we have WTO rules, they have to be obided by legally. We can’t say we aren’t doing them and want Ireland’s status with NI left identical. Not from my understanding anyway.

This is the thing about a no deal, we simply shift under a new overseeing organisation, with its own rules and members. Offering the EU zero tariffs for instance in the hope they’d reciprocate is against WTO member rules, and apparently the government know this, hence why they didn’t just do it on day dot and have instead entered negotiations.

I’m not saying walking away is impossible, if it’s our only option left then it’ll happen, but it’s far from simple.
The UK government need to swallow their pride and get the right people for the job (see my post above). The UK also needs to fight dirty just like the EU are.
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:53   #3350
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Not really seeing how the EU are fighting dirty. They've said we can stay in the single market, have a deal like Canada, or go on WTO rules. These have always been the options we had.

The frustrating thing for them is that we have never told them what we want.
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