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Old 18-06-2018, 14:52   #11
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You could apply that kind of elaborate 'what if' scenario to any law though, to stay with your example, the odds of you being in a position to legitimately look like you were up-skirting and not just using the escalator would be a series of trips and unfortunate positions as you fell and she turned around, it'd be like a benny hill sketch
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Old 18-06-2018, 15:00   #12
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Am I safe to go shopping or will one of my games consoles turn up ffs

Imagine the emotional trauma if I get back and find I missed it
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Old 18-06-2018, 15:14   #13
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What if the parking law was drafted badly and had the unintended consequence of letting everyone park there for free, thus in practice denying spaces to staff, patients and carers.
Then an objection could have been raised on those grounds.

This was only an amendment to an existing bill and had already been through the first reading in Parliament months ago. There has already been plenty of time for MP's to scrutinise. Should this MP have wanted further scrutiny, he had plenty of time to do it. Instead, he objected at the 11th hour without the faintest idea of what it actually contained. And the only reason he did that was to kill it off, knowing that there was then no time to get it through. If he genuinely cared, he'd have done his homework.
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Old 18-06-2018, 16:33   #14
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Isn't it funny that when you allow someone the time to explain what they say or do that suddenly it becomes understandable? why is it that we all rush to judgement and tar and feather people without them being allowed to explain or defend themselves?
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The dangerous dogs act was a private members bill nodded through without any thought. It is a disaster. Surely no law which can lead to a 2 year prison sentence should get on the statute books without close scrutiny
When Daily Mail comments are more balanced and nuanced than your own position, it's time to have a rethink

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments
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Old 18-06-2018, 22:44   #15
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More women are the victims bullshit (yet they wear reveling clothing, tight short shorts, tops, show their arse, tits off when sober or drunk, in the tabloid press or over social media and the TV).....but that's ok..

Private member's bills, don't normally pass as they are poorly drafted and interpretation unclear. This is why they need further debate as they are reactive rather than considering the wider issues and current legislation. However as seems to be the case if you object you are ridiculed and bullied into backpedaling on your initial stance, especially if it's something which you can be labeled as a misogynist. "I didn't understand","I didn't know" common excuses to try and save face.

Shame there is no private member's bills protecting kids against grooming Pakistan gangs or maybe increasing tariffs for carrying knifes...etc..
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Old 18-06-2018, 22:51   #16
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When Daily Mail comments are more balanced and nuanced than your own position, it's time to have a rethink

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Old 18-06-2018, 23:02   #17
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More women are the victims bullshit (yet they wear reveling clothing, tight short shorts, tops, show their arse, tits off when sober or drunk, in the tabloid press or over social media and the TV).....but that's ok..

Private member's bills, don't normally pass as they are poorly drafted and interpretation unclear. This is why they need further debate as they are reactive rather than considering the wider issues and current legislation. However as seems to be the case if you object you are ridiculed and bullied into backpedaling on your initial stance, especially if it's something which you can be labeled as a misogynist. "I didn't understand","I didn't know" common excuses to try and save face.

Shame there is no private member's bills protecting kids against grooming Pakistan gangs or maybe increasing tariffs for carrying knifes...etc..


And after all, there is no right to privacy in the UK when you are in a public place. So this new law would be quite a major change. If something is there to be seen in public, if you are choosing to put it on display, I don't think it is right to criminalise looking at it. And that includes photos. If you don't want people to see something, put it away.
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Old 18-06-2018, 23:03   #18
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Old 18-06-2018, 23:06   #19
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They have put it away, it's underneath their clothes. This isn't about someone parading around in a bikini, it's someone wearing completely reasonable clothing but having specific and elaborate measures taken by another to take a photograph of up their skirt or dress.
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Old 18-06-2018, 23:12   #20
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We've all seen upskirt pics and loads of them are not elaborate, ie. the picture taker has not had to do anything extreme like put his hand right between the legs or whatever. Plenty of women wear sufficiently short skirts that you can see up there without needing to do anything elaborate. Like when they're walking upstairs, on an escalator or sitting down.

You raise a good point though, albeit inadvertently. Should it only be illegal if you have to go to extreme measures to get the pic? What if you take a pic of something else and happen to take an upskirt pic inadvertently? Is intent important, or is it an absolute offence? And so on.

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