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Old 26-05-2018, 15:58   #21
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Renewable energy 'simply won't work': Top engineers

Windmills, solar, tidal - all a 'false hope', say Stanford PhDs


Whenever somebody with a decent grasp of maths and physics looks into the idea of a fully renewables-powered civilised future for the human race with a reasonably open mind, they normally come to the conclusion that it simply isn't feasible. Merely generating the relatively small proportion of our energy that we consume today in the form of electricity is already an insuperably difficult task for renewables: generating huge amounts more on top to carry out the tasks we do today using fossil-fuelled heat isn't even vaguely plausible.

Even if one were to electrify all of transport, industry, heating and so on, so much renewable generation and balancing/storage equipment would be needed to power it that astronomical new requirements for steel, concrete, copper, glass, carbon fibre, neodymium, shipping and haulage etc etc would appear. All these things are made using mammoth amounts of energy: far from achieving massive energy savings, which most plans for a renewables future rely on implicitly, we would wind up needing far more energy, which would mean even more vast renewables farms - and even more materials and energy to make and maintain them and so on. The scale of the building would be like nothing ever attempted by the human race.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11...les_engineers/

I'm sure a future world with 9-10 billion people and no gas, oil or coal left is going to work out really well.
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Old 26-05-2018, 16:04   #22
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Our energy use is actually dropping though, not increasing.
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Old 26-05-2018, 16:22   #23
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yeah... but until it drops below the tiny level that renewables will ever be able to provide, it won't drop enough.

Probably won't be an issue for our lifetimes but for the future, mankind is fucked. At least in its current form. In a few centuries, maybe a few hundred million can enjoy today's energy intensive lifestyle, or a billion could live a simpler existence. But 7-10 billion won't be around, in any shape or form.
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Old 26-05-2018, 18:29   #24
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Renewables often supply 100% of our power, for increasing periods. That's not a tiny amount.
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Old 26-05-2018, 18:39   #25
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Renewables often supply 100% of our power, for increasing periods. That's not a tiny amount.
It's never supplied 100%. This is the best it's done, closer to 50%, for a brief period, not 'often'.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...d-solar-surge/

And it includes nuclear as 'renewable' which is false when it uses finite uranium.

Anyway maybe you know more than those Stanford PhDs about all this.
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Old 26-05-2018, 18:44   #26
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How about the PhDs who warn of climate change?
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They don't confirm his biases...
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How about the PhDs who warn of climate change?
Just like the PhDs who warn that certain foods are bad for you, then others who say they are ok?
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They don't confirm his biases...
And yet you don't believe the above PhDs because they don't confirm yours...
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Old 26-05-2018, 19:33   #30
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Where did I say I don't believe them?

It's a prediction. Time will tell.
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