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Old 10-07-2018, 09:50   #3981
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an lol at the picture of Boris Johnson in that Littlejohn article. He literally sat round in that office waiting for the professional photographer he hired, probably on public money to take pictures of himself signing his resignation letter
"Ok Boris that's great, now look up, look concerned, look troubled, yeah?"

"Carpe jugulum, hah, that's what I say, hmrmmrm... out unto the breach young photogtapher man!"

"Ok a few more, and... done. Ok, happy?"

"I did perhaps wonder if this would.. add a certain veracity... our boys out winning the football cup and all that hmmrmmph... *straddles a stuffed lion* - let your leaf shutter flutter young warrior of mine"

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Old 10-07-2018, 09:56   #3982
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It's almost as if "the establishment" didn't want Brexit and have done this deliberately to get the decision overturned...
"The establishment" is just a meaningless platitude created by Brexiteers to try and justify their complete failure to come up with any sort of plan to get a workable Brexit in place. All you hear now is the betrayal narrative.They try and excuse the fact that a load of impossible promises were made is to blame it on other people. It's nothing to do with "The establishment", it's a question of reality.
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Old 10-07-2018, 09:59   #3983
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It's almost as if "the establishment" didn't want Brexit and have done this deliberately to get the decision overturned...
Yep. And by making people believe everything seems so futile and hopeless it's a good way to convince leave voters that they were mistaken.
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Old 10-07-2018, 10:00   #3984
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"The establishment" is just a meaningless platitude created by Brexiteers to try and justify their complete failure to come up with any sort of plan to get a workable Brexit in place. All you hear now is the betrayal narrative.They try and excuse the fact that a load of impossible promises were made is to blame it on other people. It's nothing to do with "The establishment", it's a question of reality.
It is not impossible to leave the EU completely, that's a lie.

The stuff you probably mean - none of that was on the ballot paper. The ballot paper asked to leave or remain. We chose to leave. That is being betrayed.
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Old 10-07-2018, 10:01   #3985
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I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was impossible to leave and keep all the promises made.
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I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was impossible to leave and keep all the promises made.
They don't have to. They only need to keep the one promise the electorate told them to do, which is to leave.
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They could leave and remain in the EEA.
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"The establishment" is just a meaningless platitude created by Brexiteers to try and justify their complete failure to come up with any sort of plan to get a workable Brexit in place. All you hear now is the betrayal narrative.They try and excuse the fact that a load of impossible promises were made is to blame it on other people. It's nothing to do with "The establishment", it's a question of reality.
I'm talking about "the establishment" as in the ruling elite, nothing to do with Brexit per se. The establishment never wanted Brexit, so they will do all they can to derail it.
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I'll eat my hat if we don't end up in the EEA.
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It's almost as if "the establishment" didn't want Brexit and have done this deliberately to get the decision overturned...
They didn't, but the issue really is what a lot of people said all along, the brexit the country voted for doesn't exist. The only true Brexit really is a total clean break from the EU, no new deal, you just trigger A50 and spend the two years the best you can preparing for the incoming changes. There'd be massive changes, lots of compromise, lots of things we all took for granted going, lot's of disruption etc. Those who unashamedly admit that have my respect in a way because although I think they're idiots for wanting it, they're at least honest about what it means.

Gove, Boris etc bullshitted their way through it all to scrape a win by playing up Brexit to be a kind of fantasy wishlist. They knew otherwise the vote for brexit would be about the same as UKIP's numbers, a 15-20% vote to leave, something like that.

They spoke of none of the realities, and called anyone who did scaremongering. The die-hard Brexiteers of course just bit their tongue when they heard the bullshit, it's a means to an end for them. Farage couldn't help himself when the referendum was won though, admitting the 350 million figure was crap and he wouldn't have promised that.

The public mood following it was that it would be undemocratic to even question the result, it was happening, get on with it. The public have spoken. The arguments for looking past that decree were shot down even if they're logically sound. The public could vote 'yes' to a cure for cancer in a national referendum. Doesn't mean it can just be done because they say so and it's the will of the people. If what they have asked for is undeliverable then you have to go back to them and tell them that.

I think the government have basically lacked the bollocks to do exactly that.
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