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Old 23-12-2015, 18:36   #61
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What do you actually want to do with your life, DD? You've had 45-odd years to think about it, perhaps you should start trying to coalesce those thoughts into action before you end up gibbering with dementia with some cunt like me draining your leg bag and robbing your sweetie tin.

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Old 23-12-2015, 23:45   #63
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Apple HAS to produce goods in China so they can maintain their high dividends for shareholders like myself.

You only have to look at what the impact of Walmart raising their wages did on their shareprice to see how much labour costs affect the profitability (and thus share performance) of businesses. Imagine having to pay the workers decent wages, where would my dividend go!
Get to them produce goods in the USA, and in exchange allow them to move money back to the USA without raping them for tax .
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Often times you hear about a "dieoff" due to our situation. I think this study confirms beyond a doubt that the dieoff is already happening. Yet, consider that, before this study became popularized, you would have never heard about it in the mainstream press. Still doubt the collapse is real?

It's not people dying in the streets, though, unlike some of the more feverish TEOTWAKI peak oil predictions. From the research, elevated levels of suicide and drug abuse are the prime culprits. It's the million little deaths that go unnoticed in the obituary columns of decaying communities all across this formerly prosperous nation. Someone overdosed in a back alley. Or a meth lab exploded. Or maybe they were killed in a car accident, or decapitated while driving their motorcycle too fast. Or they were shot by police. Or they are dying of liver failure by age 40. Or, increasingly, they are ground down slowly by the many chronic diseases such as diabetes that are symptomatic of the chronic stress and horrid (yet highly profitable) junk food diet of most Americans. It's a dieoff all right, but it's never framed as such. You can see it all around you: the overcrowded jails filled with unemployed people, the overcrowded hospitals filled with sick, obese people, the folks standing on the medians and freeway offramps with cardboard signs and living their cars, all while the media just goes on reporting about spectator sports and celebrity gossip as though nothing bad is happening. Ignorance really is bliss.

The obvious analogy here is Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, as many people writing about the study have pointed out: The Dying Russians (New York Review of Books). But there was no "collapse" of the United States. Or was there? Instead, we're told by the media and politicians that everything in every way is getting better and better for everyone. Just look at the latest iPhone! Television screens are huge! Even the very poor have indoor plumbing! And you can Google anything you like, so what are you complaining about, loser?

Everything is famed as personal failure, thus the dieoff is just a million stories of individual failure with no overall pattern. Nothing to see here, move along. Study and "work hard" (whatever that means), and you'll be okay. Certainly that fear is behind the epidemic of overwork, presenteeism and grinding hours of unpaid overtime Americans are putting in at work in the hope of not being next. It's like being the model prisoner in a concentration camp, though. Ask the turkeys this month if being a good turkey had any effect on their ultimate fate. The Parable of the Happy Turkey(Global Guerrillas)

Up until now, Americans have been happy turkeys. Thus, they cannot comprehend what is happening to them. In America it is taken for granted that the ultimate locus of control is on the individual, and that there is no such thing as society. That belief has been heavily promoted over the past thirty years, along with the "create your own reality" and other assorted positive thinking nonsense (thanks Oprah!), and I think we can see why.

And since we see this always as personal failure and are not allowed to see it as systemic failure, the poor and formerly middle classes take it out on themselves instead of the system. After all, America is the land of opportunity; if you don't "make it' (whatever that means), you have no one to blame but yourself! Of course it is not true; the musical chairs job market and winner-take-all economy means that only a tiny number of people even have a shot at the middle class anymore, and a lot of that is due to geography, pre-existing social connections and luck.

They don't have to kill you if they can get you to kill yourself.

And although framed as a tragedy, I wonder if to some extent this behavior on the part of working class males is a logical response to living in the kind of society that the United States has become. In a society that has no use for them anymore and where they have no sense of purpose and no hope for the future, it seems like suicide is a rational response. After a certain age, you realize that you have been sorted to the "losers" pile. If you live in the vast suburban flatland of Middle America, you likely live in a decrepit house somewhere in the anonymous miasma of strip-mall suburbia, buy disposable plastic crap made in China from baleful fluorescent-lit Dollar Stores, drive an older model pickup truck or SUV with a bad muffler and bad brakes over potholed streets and under rusty bridges, while all the jobs around you aside from the hospital and the university (which are mainly female-staffed) are minimum wage, dead-end jobs where you have to smile and wear a uniform. You realize you're never going to meet the girl of your dreams since hypergamy is still baked into female mating choice, despite what some feminists claim. You realize you will never get that that great job that will allow you to be upwardly mobile and live in relative ease and comfort, and life is a bitter, hard struggle relieved only by the occasional joint and video games. Or you're divorced and paying child support to your former wife who's managed to keep herself presentable enough to hook up with one of the few remaining alpha-males, and half your income goes to support the kids you never see. Or your deadbeat loser children have been working multiple McJobs and living in the basement for years with no hope of even affording a one-bedroom apartment, and between them and the wife you never speak to anymore, you can't even get into your own damn bathroom. You realize that, like most Americans, you will never afford to retire and will have to work your boring, dead-end job under your asshole supervisor until you literally drop dead. So why wait?
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Old 27-12-2015, 17:39   #66
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Tldr. Is it morbid bollocks that confirms your preconceived ideas by any chance?
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Old 27-12-2015, 18:04   #67
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It's certainly psychologically healthy to see the system at fault but it's also disempowering. Whatever the odds unless you accept responsibility for improving your situation no one else will for you.
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It's certainly psychologically healthy to see the system at fault but it's also disempowering. Whatever the odds unless you accept responsibility for improving your situation no one else will for you.
This is a false dichotomy. You speak of improving 'your' situation (as opposed to 'the' situation, ie. society and how it is) by using the failed society's own metrics of success. You aren't looking at the big picture.

For example, people judge success by wealth or status. So someone who 'plays video games all day' or 'gets up at noon' (both things you have been shamed for) are subjected to shaming language. Those endeavours aren't worthy! You should be doing X, Y and Z instead. Those things ARE worthy. Someone else presumes to decide for you what is worthy. But when life has no purpose or point, then nothing is inherently more or less worthy than anything else. We're all just passing the time until we die. So someone else made a grand this week and feels all puffed up with their own self importance and gets an ego boost by looking down their nose at someone on the dole or who 'plays video games all day'. It's all an illusion, none of it matters unless we say it does.
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Old 27-12-2015, 19:26   #69
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the difference is that do people actually feel happy about playing games all day? What you've just posted is the definition of existential depression. Youre probably right with with your example above if you suffer from it, but it's a state of mind rather than this blue pill stuff
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the difference is that do people actually feel happy about playing games all day? What you've just posted is the definition of existential depression. Youre probably right with with your example above if you suffer from it, but it's a state of mind rather than this blue pill stuff
I'm using that as an example to illustrate the principle. You can substitute any activity which other people think you shouldn't be doing, but should instead be doing something THEY approve of.

Who gets to judge what is worthy and what isn't? Given that there is no objective way to judge.

The only indisputable facts are that we live and we die. What happens in between and the validity of same is up for debate and interpretation.
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