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Old 28-03-2018, 11:03   #1
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I think it's an adequate idea for reducing the numbers, but still feels like it'll do nothing revolutionary, which is what's needed if we actually want plastic out of the environment.

Why can't we replace water bottles with cartons? Is there a fundamental flaw in using them for water compared to fruit juice and milk?
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I'd rather we had reusable glass bottles TBH but this is a step in the right direction.
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I think it's an adequate idea for reducing the numbers, but still feels like it'll do nothing revolutionary, which is what's needed if we actually want plastic out of the environment.

Why can't we replace water bottles with cartons? Is there a fundamental flaw in using them for water compared to fruit juice and milk?
Portability and reusability I suppose. But yes our civilisation needs to get a grip on its out of control use of resources.

Ultimately it's far too little, too late... but this is the sort of small step we'll take as we head towards our final destination, in the vain hope of avoiding getting there. We won't avoid our destiny but we'll slow down the arrival date by a year or two here and there. Humanity is too stupid and selfish to recognise where we're headed and actually choose to make the real sacrifices and permanent lifestyle changes needed to actually CHANGE COURSE ALTOGETHER. No, that won't happen. That would mean doing more than chipping away at the edges. That would mean thinking, and seeing.
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Old 28-03-2018, 12:21   #7
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I'd rather we had reusable glass bottles TBH but this is a step in the right direction.
Glass seems an obvious alternative as well but what about weight and breakages?

I think cartons biodegrade far better than glass as well, which is the whole point of not using plastic at all. No matter how well we recycle, some is still going to be chucked away in normal bins.

Ultimately we need to be in a position where virtually no plastic is winding up in the environment any more and clean up operations will actually achieve net reductions each year, rather than just slowing the increase.
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More like simply humans are too dumb to stop growing, and raping the world of resources, so one day we'll run out of everything and wonder how we feed 8 billion people. HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO DUMB we'll ask (actually most won't even ask that, they'll just riot and demand the government 'do something' to 'fix it'. But by that point it will be too late to fix anything.)
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I don't recycle, and won't either. Because it won't make a jot of difference. It could, it would, if it went hand in hand with other necessary measures. But all that will happen is we use it to continue growing for longer, and we'll still end up using the same amount of plastic and everything else, that we would have used anyway. In the end it will all be for naught. Like if all the passengers on the Titanic used teaspoons to bail water out of their sinking ship.
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In nature a species usually has a predator that keeps their population in balance with their environment's ability to support them, time for Skynet TBH.
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